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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6561952, member: 397965"] Preflop Standard open of course. Facing the 3-bet is an interesting spot. The opponent is a tight player, and he choose a small sizing against a player, who opened first to act. All of this scream strength, so you are clearly against a very strong range, but you are also getting a good price only needing to realise 25% equity. However this is not factoring in ICM, and out of position you are always going to underrealise your equity, plus you clearly have reverse implied odds, when you flop top pair, and he has an overpair. So realistically you want to have much more than 25% equity against his range to make this call. To examine this I pulled out Equilab and gave him some ranges. The widest range, I think, you are ever against here, is JJ+, AK, AQs. Against that you have 29%, which given what I wrote about makes this a very break-even call. His range could also be even tighter though. A range of QQ+, AKs is definitely realistic given his sizing and stats. Against that you only have 22% equity, so now you are not even getting the direct odds to call. So I actually think, this is a fold. If you watch high stakes MTT final tables you will see top pros using small 3-bet sizing like this, and you will also see other top pros folding to it out of position. So folding is actually the GTO line in this situation, and when you are against someone, who is almost certainly completely unbalanced with no bluffs whatsoever in their 3-betting range, you just need to let it go and move on. I understand, why you called, and I dont blame you for doing it, but learning to make this fold will give you a big edge on the field in games like this one. Flop When he makes this large C-bet, he has put in around half his chips, which mean, he has committed himself to the pot. This means, he is never folding, and he is also never bluffing. His range is AA, KK, AK and maybe AQs. If he has QQ or JJ preflop, he is not betting the flop for this sizing, when there are two overcards. So basically you are facing a jam for 1,86 times the pot, which mean, you need slightly less than 40% equity in chip EV. However that does not factor in ICM, so in reality you want more than 40% to make this call. Especially since you likely have a skill edge, so you can find better spots that tossing a coin for all your chips. So now that we know, how much equity, you need, its time to plug the board into Equilab and give him that range of AA, KK, AK and AQs. The result is, you have 37% equity, and this is just not enough, so unfortunately this is still a fold, even though you flopped a 12 out draw. Once again I dont blame you for calling. I think, most players would. But this is not a long term profitable call, and being able to make this fold will give you an edge in the game. Results I did not look at the results before writing the above analysis. But yes of course he had AK (or AA or KK). You dont need a doctorate in hand reading to figure that out given his line and his stats. So all in all a very instructional hand, which people can learn a lot from :) [/QUOTE]

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