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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6561658, member: 305911"] Pre: we are going against a tight player here that is 16/13 so I dont expect their 3 bet here to be garbage ever. You didnt post their 3 bet stats but I am guessing with a 13% raise rate that their 3 bet % is not something out of line. With that being said, their range is skewed very heavily towards top end hands and those top hands are dominating you often or are at least very good against you. The raise is small which would probably be enough to make me bite on this hand and call but I dont think we are ever ahead here pre and need to realize the hands we are generally up against and also what type of flops we are planning to attack on (check raise) and what we flops we need to just say move on before we make this call. Flop: This is the really the worst for us since we called and hit a flush draw but the cards that are on the board we know smack our opponent. Here, we would need to have a feel that Ace wheel hands and some mid pairs would 3 bet us in this hand pre and from a 16/13 player I am not sure you are getting that meaning you are up against a big pair or a good Ax a large % of the time here. Will villain fold Ax here to a jam that is less than 3 times their stack? I dont know the answer to that since I have no experience with villain but hopefully you would have some sort of bead on that and make a decision from there. More than likely though, I dont think villain is folding, they already have a pair often and that pair is bigger than either of our cards. We would be dependent on a flush or the 10 coming and thinking that you would not get a fold here I think you lose chips on this jam over time. It sucks cause we called pre (which again I think is fine based on the price), hit a flush draw and a straight draw but it just doesnt line up here. When we jam we want some fold equity with it and I just dont think we have much here. So tight as it is, I fold here (good bet sizing by villain if he knew which two cards you had, overall I think its too large of a sizing for his hand) and move on. With no ace flopping, its different since the likelihood of a pair by villain goes way down but on this board I dont think a jam is right imo. [/QUOTE]

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