$22 IN THE MATT: K7S

[Geo90]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

22

Currency

$

The opponent was very agro and raised a lot and 3betlet,
Preflop K7S I defended BB, due to the weak kicker I didn't 3bet on the flop, but it might have been a better solution, RI called a small bet for T, would you have given R?

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pattaya006 (UTG): 10 012 (25 bb)
leading (UTG+1): 13 662 (34 bb)
TOMA188288 (MP): 19,123 (48bb)
Xandexx (MP+1): 8228 (21 bb)
Moder.Teresa (CO): 5 203 (13 bb)
Yagyar888 (BU): 3275 (8 bb)
Fifftilol (SB): 35 329 (88 bb)
Gyurika90 (BB): 13 243 (33 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1000) Hero (Gyurika90) BB K ♠ 7 ♠
6 players toss , raises Fifftylol (SB) to 1000 , Gyurika90 (BB) gives 600

Flop: (2400) 5 ♣ K ♣ T ♦ (2 players)
Fifftylol (SB) receives 792 , Gyurika90 (BB) calls 792

Turn: (3,984) A ♦ (2 players)
Fifftylol (SB) receives 1992 , Gyurika90 (BB) calls 1992

River: (7,968) 5 ♠ (2 players)
Fifftylol (SB) receives 31,495 (all-in) , Gyurika90 (BB) throws in

Total banks: 7968
Fifftylol (SB) vinner 7968

 

[EiXT]

They could be bluffing after the missed flush or overplaying their Tx if they're very aggressive - that shove could be anything so it's a gamble with tournament life.

In this situation, a flop with straight and flush draws is perfect for their range, they can easily have Qx Jx Ax and a better kicker as you've said. But can't fold here with top pair.

Now A of diamonds on the turn adds another flush draw suit and QJx get there. Against an aggressive player with the biggest stack on the table, they will not fold a 3-bet - if that is what I would do to represent Ax, I have to be prepared to see a 4-bet and a possible shove too - which I'd fold. However, shoving here increases the chances for a fold much more than a 3-bet does, but can we really do that here? I would prefer letting them lead too.

River blocked flush draws and they are in the perfect position to place maximum pressure, they probably put you on those draws and perhaps they wanted you to fold Kx Tx Ax too. Can never be sure it's a bluff, as it can be their tactical play to get Hero Calls - some aggressive players are unpredictable, especially in the blinds.

You lost the minimum here and you still got a decent stack to build back up, folding is best in my opinion. GG and GL!

 

[eetenor]

The opponent was very agro and raised a lot and 3betlet,
Preflop K7S I defended BB, due to the weak kicker I didn't 3bet on the flop, but it might have been a better solution, RI called a small bet for T, would you have given R?

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pattaya006 (UTG): 10 012 (25 bb)
leading (UTG+1): 13 662 (34 bb)
TOMA188288 (MP): 19,123 (48bb)
Xandexx (MP+1): 8228 (21 bb)
Moder.Teresa (CO): 5 203 (13 bb)
Yagyar888 (BU): 3275 (8 bb)
Fifftilol (SB): 35 329 (88 bb)
Gyurika90 (BB): 13 243 (33 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1000) Hero (Gyurika90) BB K ♠ 7 ♠
6 players toss , raises Fifftylol (SB) to 1000 , Gyurika90 (BB) gives 600

Flop: (2400) 5 ♣ K ♣ T ♦ (2 players)
Fifftylol (SB) receives 792 , Gyurika90 (BB) calls 792

Turn: (3,984) A ♦ (2 players)
Fifftylol (SB) receives 1992 , Gyurika90 (BB) calls 1992

River: (7,968) 5 ♠ (2 players)
Fifftylol (SB) receives 31,495 (all-in) , Gyurika90 (BB) throws in

Total banks: 7968
Fifftylol (SB) vinner 7968

As played you were very close to GTO including fold on river 75% of the time---The V was not GTO preflop though they only raised 2.5bb---Why? Was that standard for them to make smaller raises? If we assume our V is not GTO we want to look for exploit indicators- bet sizing deviations or patterns are what we want to take note of. Does this V bet larger with bluffs to get folds - do they bet half pot with value etc etc---Whenever we have an aggro player on our table we want to focus our attention on their play and get as many reads as we can before we get into spots like this.

 

[Geo90]

Lehet, hogy blöffölnek a kihagyott flös után, vagy túljátsszák a Tx-üket, ha nagyon agresszívak – ez a shove bármi lehet, szóval hazárdjáték a versenyélettel.

Ebben a helyzetben egy flop egyenes és flösshúzóval tökéletes a tartományukhoz, könnyen lehet Qx Jx Axe és jobb kickerük, ahogy mondtad. De itt nem lehet bedobni top párral.

Most A of gyémántok a turnön egy újabb flösshúzó színűt adnak hozzá, és QJx ér oda. Egy agresszív játékos ellen, akinek a legnagyobb stackje van az asztalon, nem dobnak be egy 3-bet - ha én ezt tenném, ha Axet képviselnék, akkor fel kell készülnöm egy 4-bet és egy esetleges shove-ra is - amit bedobnék. Azonban a lökések itt sokkal jobban növelik a dobás esélyét, mint egy 3-bet, de tényleg megtehetjük ezt itt? Inkább hagynám őket vezetni.

River blokkolta a flösshúzókat, és tökéletes helyzetben vannak a maximális nyomás kifejtésére, valószínűleg ezekre a húzókra helyeztek téged, és talán azt akarták, hogy Kx Tx Axet is dobj. Soha nem lehet biztos benne, hogy blöffről van szó, mivel ez lehet a taktikai játékuk, hogy hősöket hívjanak – egyes agresszív játékosok kiszámíthatatlanok, különösen a vakokban.

Itt elvesztetted a minimumot, és még mindig van egy tisztességes verem, amit vissza kell építeni, szerintem a dobás a legjobb. GG és GL!

Thanks for the detailed analysis, so street by street, it's good to read these, pointing out a lot of things I didn't even think about
Yes on the flop, if I'm 3bet and he's 4bet, I don't like to test my entire chip with K7

 

[Geo90]

A játék során nagyon közel voltál a GTO-hoz, beleértve az esetek 75%-ában bedobást a riveren --- A V nem volt GTO preflop, bár csak 2,5 bb-t emeltek --- Miért? Ez volt a standard számukra, hogy kisebb emeléseket hajtsanak végre? Ha feltételezzük, hogy a V nem GTO, akkor kiaknázási mutatókat akarunk keresni – a tétméret eltéréseit vagy mintáit szeretnénk figyelembe venni. Ez a V nagyobbat nyit blöffökkel, hogy foldeket kapjon – fél pot értékkel stb. stb.---Ha egy aggro játékos van az asztalunkon, akkor a játékukra szeretnénk összpontosítani a figyelmünket, és minél több olvasást szeretnénk elérni, mielőtt ilyen helyekre kerülnénk.

Then here on the river you can sometimes call in to keep the balance

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Sometimes you can mix in a 3-bet to 3k and then fold to a 4-bet jam. This is especially valid, if you think, he is raising a ton of junk trying to bully a smaller stack to his left. Calling in position is also fine though.

Flop
With your kicker issues I am ok just calling a controlling the size of the pot a little.

Turn
This is a terrible card for you, since his range contain quite a lot of AX, and QJ also got there. There are two flushdraws out there though, and its blind vs. blind, so its probably a little weak-tight to give him full credit and fold already now. But you are definitely only beating a pure bluff now, whereas on the flop maybe he is value/protection betting some worse one pair hands than yours.

River
I dont think, he is betting the turn with bottom pair, so this is a pretty big brick. Apart from QJ all draws missed, so he can definitely have some bluffs. But he can also have an ace and go for max value thinking, that you dont have a 5 either after calling flop and turn. So this is very read based. If he is very aggro and like to play as a "chip bully", then I can see sticking in a call here expecting to be good far more often in a $22 MTT, than I would be in a microstakes game. But its also fine to fold and live to fight another day.

In a spot like this I always try to pay attention to the dynamics at the current table, and also get information from my HUD if available. Like what is this players overall postflop aggression factor, and what is his turn and river C-bet percentage? If those numbers point to a player, who is to aggressive for his own good, then I am far more likely to make a hero call at the end. You do have better hands to call with though, since you should also have some A high, that peel the flop for a 1/3 pot sized bet.