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Message: [QUOTE="dallam, post: 6571899, member: 338743"] The exact same issue you had both on this hand, and the outcome was not suprising as well. Everyone folded around when HJ made 2.6bbs - this bet is totally fine, although not necessary hiding weaker combinations than 88. I kinda feel that if you put a 3bet here, and expect BTN's shove, no matter who will go all-in will beat you most of the times so you better to actually fold to a 4-bet. But your 3-bet came through here, so that's not the situation you were faced with. [B]Optimally [/B]your range should include here the overpairs, Q set, Q pair, flushes... just to mention a few! So you can be connected to this board on every single level when it comes to the nuts. Also the boards is very isolated, opp should not have 2 or the 5 at all, and only 1 overcard and the flushdraw is here on his side. So I would never count on a donk-bet. Moreover if villain hit something on this board, to making it max value or the less pain, it should be checked, cause your 3-bet and the Q on the board and the flush as well, you supposed to raise here like all the time, even if you not hit it (which can't be a case, you won't blank it when you have an exact same combination like 2nd pair 88). That was the mistake on OPP's side, this party can't be half pot donk-betted never. [B]On your side[/B], when you had theoretically all the cards and combinations to be able to beat opp, you're facing up logically a big mistake here. And I would not react to this the same way like doing a mistake as well. Your strong hands were definitely targetted, and now as it was turning, your opp connected this board with Q, flush draw or set, maybe bluffing second pair. Do we beat anything of these? Maybe, but we are unable to chase them till river. The whole 3-betting idea was about to having control over the party, and we're loosing it and miss the action as well, simply able to play down cheap or even getting rid of it. But here, we can already see with that exact pocket 8's its just hard to run this cheap now, nor taking down the pot on the river. So you supposed to fold it here and now. [B]However[/B], if villain raise half pot here, no matter if you have Set here or AA, you should never 3bet it, only call!! So you could still have the absolute winner hand, but here's my final part of the review: I started this that " the outcome was not suprising " - and I meant it. After making a logically bad move from opp, I was getting ready to see another one on turn or on the river. As you see now, flush came and even the board had a straight on it. But still making the all-in, and no matter what cards would fall down, he would do the same. So that's why you were not allowed to ever chase with the 88 cause even you could be leading sometimes,the outcome is predictable when this mistake happens on an early street - and no matter what opp had here, it was a fishy action so you could make a note on that he raised into your 3-bet OOP in 25Q and few hands later I'm confident to see him exposed. Thanks for posting, of course you had a huge stack, so probably this one not broke your win or deep run. Good luck. :) [/QUOTE]

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