$11 NLHE MTT: SCOOP 102 - Low | 1010 in SB

[mariussica88]

BB stats after 113 hands: VPIP 31 PFR 15 Limp 2 Post Flop AGG 0 Flop C-bet 50 3-bet 4 PFFold to Steal 12 PFCall Steal 63

Should I bet bigger? Is this a good spot to bluff the river?


pokerstars - 700/1400 Ante 175 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: 19,610 (14 bb)
UTG+1: 92,743 (66.2 bb)
MP: 32,762 (23.4 bb)
MP+1: 48,541 (34.7 bb)
CO: 19,050 (13.6 bb)
BTN: 56,808 (40.6 bb)
Hero (SB): 99,406 (71 bb)
BB: 72,209 (51.6 bb)

8 players post ante of 175, Hero posts SB 700, BB posts 1,400

Pre Flop: (pot: 3,500) Hero has
6 folds, Hero raises to 3,500, BB calls 2,100

Flop: (8,400, 2 players)
Hero bets 2,940, BB calls 2,940

Turn: (14,280, 2 players)
Hero bets 4,998, BB calls 4,998

River: (24,276, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Results: 24,276 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Out of position you should raise larger. 2,5BB price him in to call with almost any two.

Flop
This is not a great flop for TT. I think, a bet here already fold out most of the hands, you are beating, and mainly get action from better hands and decent draws. So I prefer to check-call to keep his bluffing range alive.

Turn
This was one of the worst possible cards in the deck for you, since now you dont beat a 6 or a flushdraw either. When you bet again here, you are almost turning TT into a bluff, which to me makes no sense. On a board like this you want to block with hands, that have a high heart in them like ideally KT or KJ with K of hearts. Those are good bluffing hands, whereas TT with no heart is realistically just a check-fold.

River
With a 4-flush runout its difficult for him to continue without a flush or boat, so now you can possibly get not only a Q but also an A or even a 6 to fold. Also if your main turn bluffs are hands with a high heart, then these hands are now a flush. So if you want to be balanced and more difficult to play against, you have to turn some made hands into a bluff. So not a fan of betting flop and turn, but having walked down that route, you could have tried to dig yourself out with a big river bluff.

 

[300HPGOD]

The flop depends to me on what the villains fold to c bet % is. With 113 hands we should have a decent idea of that number since they are 31/15 so they tend to play a lot of hands and therefore should have faced a decent amount of c bets. If their fold to c bet % is anything over 50% then I would fire a bet here but I would make it closer to half pot as we are looking to get a fold here. If the villain has a fold to c bet % of lower than 50% then its definitely a check spot as this is not a good flop for us and our hand cant take any pressure.

Turn as played should definitely be a check. You are losing against Ax, Qx and hearts and all the hands you are ahead of like 22-55, 77-88 if they were played that way I think will/could check back the turn as they wont want to play a big pot either.

River as played I guess is a bluffing spot but I still dont like it. Villain will have a hard time folding any heart there and they probably arent folding Ax either. That leaves us targeting Qx and I think Qx would fold on turn if they did not have a heart in their hand (although your turn sizing may have kept them in). I think its a lost cause to bluff here and would just check give up.

My overall thinking on the hand without knowing villains fold tendencies is to bet the flop and try to convey a strong hand. I would go more towards half pot to try to get a fold and if they call then I am in get to showdown mentality. When turn comes what it did I am pretty much done with the hand and leave it. I like betting the flop, though, since there are plenty of turn cards I wouldn't like such as K, J, any heart plus those are hands villain could/will call the flop with so there are hands I can get value from by betting. Those hands (Kx, Jx, hearts, smaller pocket pairs) will probably check behind on the turn if they dont get their card so I can get to the river if they were to call flop and miss turn and then evaluate from there.

 

[mariussica88]

The flop depends to me on what the villains fold to c bet % is. With 113 hands we should have a decent idea of that number since they are 31/15 so they tend to play a lot of hands and therefore should have faced a decent amount of c bets. If their fold to c bet % is anything over 50% then I would fire a bet here but I would make it closer to half pot as we are looking to get a fold here. If the villain has a fold to c bet % of lower than 50% then its definitely a check spot as this is not a good flop for us and our hand cant take any pressure.

V Fold to flop c-bet is 100 % (4 out of 4 ) and fold to 3-bet 20

Here is the full hand.



PokerStars - 700/1400 Ante 175 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: 19,610 (14 bb)
UTG+1: 92,743 (66.2 bb)
MP: 32,762 (23.4 bb)
MP+1: 48,541 (34.7 bb)
CO: 19,050 (13.6 bb)
BTN: 56,808 (40.6 bb)
Hero (SB): 99,406 (71 bb)
BB: 72,209 (51.6 bb)

8 players post ante of 175, Hero posts SB 700, BB posts 1,400

Pre Flop: (pot: 3,500) Hero has
6 folds, Hero raises to 3,500, BB calls 2,100

Flop: (8,400, 2 players)
Hero bets 2,940, BB calls 2,940

Turn: (14,280, 2 players)
Hero bets 4,998, BB calls 4,998

River: (24,276, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Results: 24,276 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

Hero shows : (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 69%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)

BB shows : (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)
(Pre 31%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)

BB wins 24,276

 

[eetenor]

BB stats after 113 hands: VPIP 31 PFR 15 Limp 2 Post Flop AGG 0 Flop C-bet 50 3-bet 4 PFFold to Steal 12 PFCall Steal 63

Should I bet bigger? Is this a good spot to bluff the river?


PokerStars - 700/1400 Ante 175 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: 19,610 (14 bb)
UTG+1: 92,743 (66.2 bb)
MP: 32,762 (23.4 bb)
MP+1: 48,541 (34.7 bb)
CO: 19,050 (13.6 bb)
BTN: 56,808 (40.6 bb)
Hero (SB): 99,406 (71 bb)
BB: 72,209 (51.6 bb)

8 players post ante of 175, Hero posts SB 700, BB posts 1,400

Pre Flop: (pot: 3,500) Hero has
6 folds, Hero raises to 3,500, BB calls 2,100

Flop: (8,400, 2 players)
Hero bets 2,940, BB calls 2,940

Turn: (14,280, 2 players)
Hero bets 4,998, BB calls 4,998

River: (24,276, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Results: 24,276 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

Thank you for posting-

This is another spot where working on our preplanning skills really helps us play this more efficiently.

Preflop we raise small V has wide range when they call- Already we want to be thinking about what sizing we use for value what sizing to get folds-

So if the V misses flop small bets are all that are needed to get folds on boards that hit us.
So 1900 is a fine flop sizing it gets all the missed hands to fold but we still can have an Ax hand for that sizing.
What calls our first bet? Ax QX 6x XHXH KHJX etc

When the board comes heart and 6 bad card for us. We now have a check show down hand check fold hand or a bluff-

If we bet we think we are bluffing- we may not be but we think we are
What sizing do we want to use for a bluff on turn? What hands are we targeting to get to fold---learning to preplan the range bluff targets is a skill we can practice.

Hope this helps

If we decide to bluff turn are we going to bluff river?

 

[mariussica88]

If we decide to bluff turn are we going to bluff river?

If I decided to bluff the river I think that I have to get him all in since I have him covered. What I noticed was that in this very big fields like this one most of the players if the have an Ax hand and hit the A on the board they go until the end.
That's way on the river I was ready to check/fold.

 

[fundiver199]

What I noticed was that in this very big fields like this one most of the players if the have an Ax hand and hit the A on the board they go until the end.

Even a casual player should be able to figure out, that any hand with a random heart beat top pair, when there are 4 hearts on the board. Sure you might still see people make a hero call, but I dont think, top pair call at nearly the same frequency, as it does on a blank river.