$11 NLHE MTT: SCOOP 102 - Low | BB vs SB

[mariussica88]

SB stats after 33 hands: VPIP 27 PFR 24 Post Flop AGG 4 StealPct 60 and 3-bet 0
No stats on PFCallSteal and PFFoldtoSteal

Do you guys think I can bet the flop? How can I get more chips from him?


pokerstars - 500/1000 Ante 125 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG+1: 23,978 (24 bb)
MP: 61,954 (62 bb)
MP+1: 79,024 (79 bb)
CO: 24,250 (24.3 bb)
BTN: 16,550 (16.6 bb)
SB: 45,299 (45.3 bb)
Hero (BB): 90,990 (91 bb)
UTG: 32,149 (32.1 bb)

8 players post ante of 125, SB posts 500, Hero posts BB 1,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 2,500) Hero has
6 folds, SB calls 500, Hero checks

Flop: (3,000, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (3,000, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 1,000, SB calls 1,000

River: (5,000, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets 3,650, SB calls 3,650

Results: 12,300 pot (0 rake)
Final Board:

Spoiler

Hero shows : (Full House, Eights full of Kings)
(Pre 39%, Flop 23%, Turn 95%)

SB mucks : (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 61%, Flop 77%, Turn 5%)

Hero wins 12,300

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
I would not hate to see a raise here to lean on him, since he is a much shorter stack. Obviously it can be fine to take a free flop as well, since your hand is quite in between.

Flop
I think, it can be fine to bet second pair for value and protection when checked to. Turns out you were actually behind at this point, but I think, a hand like A7 is the absolute top of his range, when he takes such a passive line.

Turn
Very good card obviously, and clearly you need to bet for value. Sizing could perhaps be a bit more than just 1/3 pot.

River
Another good card, and this time you bet much larger, which I like.

Results
Maybe you could have gotten more out of him by building the pot preflop and/or on the flop. But thats a bit results oriented, since you were actually behind especially on the flop. You played close to perfect against his actual holding, except maybe for your sizing of the turn bet.

 

[WickedFRoST]

I think that action-wise. you played the hand quite well.
Checking preflop and on the flop is actually fine, sure you might mix in some preflop raises with K8o in this spot but on a rare occasion. On turn and river you bet for value, as you should, so I do not see anything wrong in this hand, as it was played.

As for the sizing you selected, well, whatever sizes you chose should be mostly based on your opponent's type. If you think that your opponent is never folding an Ace on the turn or river, you definitely should make exploitative overbets with most of your nuts. But since it is a rather unknown opponent, you should content with your normal sizings, for instance, imagine you have 42o in this spot, what would be your sizing for a bluff on the turn? if it is on a large side, then whenever you have trips, your sizing should be the same.

And same logic applies on the river.

 

[IADaveMark]

Concur with above... and yes, I would have gone a little thicker on the river. Perhaps 3/4 to full pot. However, one of the things you are afraid of is pricing him out of a call. In that case, you make nothing more on the river. And since we don't know where that is, it makes it hard.

But as played, you assume he is pleased with his A (I haven't un-spoiled yet) and then improved to 2 pair. But is he worried about his kicker? Nah... solved by the K giving him 2 pair with a K. The only things that he thinks beat him are an 8 and AK. 8 is unlikely and you would have raised pre with AK. So yeah, he has to feel "proud and good... strong enough to beat the world." So firing 3/4 to full would look like you are trying to buy it and might get called.

 

[ElmerS]

Preflop

You can check this or raise to 3,5 BB and try to steal the pot.
You have position at your opponent and can take advantage of it but checking is fine also

Flop

This is a situation where betting and checking is also fine.
I prefer to bet 1 bb. Let people call you with worse and take that free blind of them or let them fold and pick up the pot. Not a bet result.

Turn

Hand as played we can do 3 things.
1. we bet just 1.000 to induce a raise of our opponent
2. we bet 2.000 to get value from every hand with showdown value
3. we bet 3.000 to get maximum value of the stronger hands of your opponent.

River

No comes the most though play. The overbet.
We have it. Now it´s time to play the real part of poker.
I would bet 6.500 at a pot of 5.000. Yes, 130% pot.
When we bet like this we say. We have it, or we don´t.
If you play it like this you have to bluff at the same way sometimes to keep it ballanced.
I really like those kind of overbet´s. Ax hands would probably call anyways and you get maximum value at your 8x or full houses.

 

[300HPGOD]

Let me start by saying I like the way you played the hand. I would call as you did pre flop since we are in position and with effective stacks at 45 BBs I am not looking to play a huge pot here and have no issue with seeing a flop in position. I also think it is quite weird that a 27/24 player is limping in from the SB when it is folded to them. I would expect 27/24 players to be opening 70% is from the SB and folding the rest, except maybe for their monsters. That would have me thinking a little which is also why I like just checking our option here to see what the flop brings and what villain does with it.

Flop is in the middle for me between betting and checking but again there is still this chance in the back of mind they are up to something with that limp pre so I am checking here since I dont want to play a big pot yet and trying really to just get to showdown right now.

Turn is an excellent card and my one little gripe with this hand and how you played would be a little larger sizing here just to make two clubs (if thats what villain has) be drawing against it. Villain has checked twice to us now which would make me think less this a trap since they should start getting busy on the turn if they have it. When they just call it makes me think even less that I am being trapped and I am feeling good about where Im standing.

River is a beautiful king so to me there is little if anything to worry about here other than getting value. At this point when we are checked to I am thinking we are not up against Ax, we have an 8 and a K so it monopolizes the board and limits what villain could have and the flush did not come in. So I would try to think what my value target is in this hand as I would think I am getting folded to a lot here given I think villain does not have Ax. My value target would be Kx as even pocket pairs like 55 that somehow could have got here like this arent calling. Then my thinking would shift to how big would Kx call here if thats what villain has as again, all other holdings I think are just folding really no matter what the sizing is. My thoughts on this is Kx will call half pot but will fold to full pot or overbet. Kx might call up to about 3/4ths here but that might even be a stretch. So in thinking Im getting a lot of folds anyway but Kx might call up to 3/4ths I would go for about that 3/4ths sizing which is about where you put it. Obviously if we knew villain had Ax here (hate the way they played the hand) then you could go bigger but what on the river is saying to anyone they have Ax here especially when the flop had two clubs? You have to target Kx and the sizing you picked on the river I thought was quite good. Well played hand imo

 

[Endwarfin]

Personally I wouldn't have put an Ace in his range.


SB just completes and checks the Ace high board. With the :K4c: blocking the flush and middle pair, the reason I would bet was because I wanted a fold, not a call. I like checking back the flop, I would expect most of his calls on the flop to be draws now.

The turn, we have to bet, I like betting 1/3 pot because I think a lot of draws call here, we have the K blocker to the flush, and I think we can get raised by some flush draws and worse 8s!

The river card almost guarantees our opponent will never call with the draws they get here with.

I dont put opponent on any pocket pairs above 4s
I still dont have them on an A, the 1/3 turn bet keeps sooo much garbage in their range. Garbage that completes Blind v Blind, and goes check check.

What can I get called here that didnt raise preflop or on the turn? We know that villain cant be on a king high flush draw, so, our value targets are 5s, passive AXs.

I think your bet targets only passive Ax, If that's what we are targeting, we can sell him that we were on a flush draw and hit the king, and I think the big bet looks like a bluff.

I think if you bet 5555 here, the same number of aces call you. I don't think very many 5s will hero for 70% pot, but when you choose 5555 +2000 from aces will out weigh the -3650 from 5s who are this price sensitive.