$11 NL HE MTT: Q9s in BB

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

11

Currency

$

Do you guys think is ok here to complete from BB? Is check/ call ok or should I raise the turn?

I think that the river call is a mistake made by me.

UTG stats after 26 hands: VPIP 15 PFR 8 Post flop AGG 3

pokerstars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 600/1,200 (150 ante) - 5 players
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UTG: 22,168 (18 bb)
CO: 44,385 (37 bb)
BU: 60,551 (50 bb)
SB: 150,608 (126 bb)
BB (Hero): 33,520 (28 bb)

Pre-Flop: (2,550) Hero is BB with Q♥ 9♥
UTG raises to 3,000, 3 players fold, Hero calls 1,800

Flop: (7,350) 8♥ 9♣ J♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets 3,675, Hero calls 3,675

Turn: (14,700) K♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets 5,880, Hero calls 5,880

River: (26,460) 6♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets 9,463 (all-in), Hero calls 9,463

 

[jordanbillie]

What stage of the tournament was this? How many people are left? How many paid? Is this a 6max game?

I can provide more of an opinion with more info.

 

[300HPGOD]

I think its okay to defend here although I probably dont on this stack depth. I fold too much in the BB so I think if we are looking to defend more often then Q9 suited is not a horrible hand to do it with. I would factor in what I know about villain though. If they are a barreler than I am probably way less likely to call pre flop. I am playing this hand to hit a disguised big hand (which would be great against a barreler) but more often we will flop nothing or some marginal hand that we will want to see a check somewhere in the first two streets of the hand. Since barrelers dont check then we need to hit something big to feel decent otherwise you get what happened here and you get stuck in the hand since we called pre and hit middle pair so we shouldnt be folding and then turn gives us more equity but we have to face another bet. Its probably best to think of these spots as a bad fold is better than a bad call so its better to just fold and move on but we also have to defend at some % to keep others honest. In the end I would fold if I knew I was against an aggro player and fold in general since stack sizes are smallish so the prospect of implied odds are less.

As far as the hand goes villain almost has a pot sized shove on the turn and does not take it. When they bet small its either a blocker bet to get you to check the river or its a hand that is strong and wants to milk you as you would have a very small bet to call on the river even with a small bet on the turn. I think calling turn is fine due to we are almost getting true odds on the flush. I would think villain might give up on river/take showdown value when checked to so when they jam here its usually not even a bluff since they have so little and pot odds are good. Therefore, my opinion is calling turn is fine due to the odds you are getting but even though the 6 does not change the hand I would fold river.

 

[Andyreas]

Without any additional detail, Q9s is definitely a nice hand to call in BB.

You flop second pair and also have SD and BDFD. While his bet is half pot, I'd also call one street with a hit. Some people c-bet with half pot, so he could also completely have missed here.

Turn:
Your pair now was demoted to 3rd pair. But you have a FD now and still the SD. He slowed down to around 1/3 of pot.
This is somehow a little strange to me. He has an SPR of 1, so he should be jamming here if he wanna bet.
So either he has the nuts now and wants you to call or is afraid of the additional FD now.
So I would also call here with your (weak) pair but nice draws.

River:
Unfortunately, no draw completed for you, so you only beat a complete bluff or any 8x or 6x hand but he doesn't have many of those in his range.

So I would tend to fold on river here, indeed. 🤔

 

[dallam]

Having 5 people here, and all of them having bigger stacks its not that weak to see a 2.5bb pre-bet, this could almost hide anything, your notes are very important to know at least what kind of hands should we prepared for. I think cause the few players here calling is fine, folding is fine, its probably opp-dependent.

J98 rainbow, but that's our calling range pre. So for slowing down, or make things faster, I believe you could make here the first bet, and it won't even need to be big at all like 1.5bbs showing that we not completely lost in this at all. Of course hands like 1010 would go and 3-bet, JX hands as well, but even JJ may just calls, AK, AQ, KQ may just call here, while the small pockets find a way to fold. I think a 3-bet (shove) could be a great sign for us that opp has cleary better hands even with this flop, but calls make me believe we are leading on the flop unless its a JJ.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
Q9s is certainly a standard defend to a 2,5BB open from HJ. We cant always let people steal our blinds, and Q9s is an above average hand. If we fold this, we are folding way to much.

Flop
Not much to say here. You connected, and he might be C-betting his entire range, so of course you cant fold now.

Turn
You picked up a flushdraw, and you are also getting a really good price, so you still cant fold. And even though he dont have much left behind, I dont see any point in check-jamming. All better hands call, and most worse hands fold, so you would just be value owning yourself.

River
You are getting almost 4:1, so you only need to win this 20% of the time. But I dont think, he has a worse hand for value, and I also dont think, he is likely to be bluffing with this line. He only had around a pot sized bet left on the turn, so if he was bluffing, why would he not just have moved in on the turn? When he make it a 3 street hand despite his short stack, its like saying "please give me action", and thats typically a very strong hand rather than a bluff. So I would fold here and save those last 9.463 chips.

 

[eetenor]

Do you guys think is ok here to complete from BB? Is check/ call ok or should I raise the turn?

I think that the river call is a mistake made by me.

UTG stats after 26 hands: VPIP 15 PFR 8 Post flop AGG 3

PokerStars, $9.80 + $1.20 - Hold'em No Limit - 600/1,200 (150 ante) - 5 players
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UTG: 22,168 (18 bb)
CO: 44,385 (37 bb)
BU: 60,551 (50 bb)
SB: 150,608 (126 bb)
BB (Hero): 33,520 (28 bb)

Pre-Flop: (2,550) Hero is BB with Q♥ 9♥
UTG raises to 3,000, 3 players fold, Hero calls 1,800

Flop: (7,350) 8♥ 9♣ J♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets 3,675, Hero calls 3,675

Turn: (14,700) K♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets 5,880, Hero calls 5,880

River: (26,460) 6♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets 9,463 (all-in), Hero calls 9,463

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This is a good spot to practice preplanning a hand-

The call is fine preflop---- once we call what will our plan be on the flop? We should have a plan before we see the flop so take the time now to create a detailed plan
The way we practice this is to look at the data we have so far-
Villain is in the HJ position- what range do we estimate when they open a 15.8bb stack for 2.5-does the 2.5 effect range?
Does the open not shove effect range?

On flop is the 50% pot bet standard? With what range? Is the V even understanding ranges?

When the V bets the SPR is 1 therefore the V can shove turn easily with range are we calling to fold to a turn shove?
If so is calling the best option?
If we hit the T do we expect the V to stack off and if so how? Do we lead? What about the Q do we stack off with that as well and if so how?
If we pick up a flush draw do we stack off?
If the V wants to show down the hand do we win with a 9?

If the V has AK why are they ignoring the fact that we have all the nut hands vs that hand?

As played we are hoping the V has AK and the K comes and we stack off with a 9 while blocking the other hand we want them to have over played AQ -
On river we have to ask why the V would think we would fold now?

 

[jordanbillie]

What stage of the tournament was this? How many people are left? How many paid? Is this a 6max game?

I can provide more of an opinion with more info.

I guess I'm not getting anymore info.

My point is that depending on the dynamic of the table and the stage of the MTT, I can seriously play this hand many different ways. I could see folding pre or even jamming pre depending on a few things.

 

[Tigroslav]

The call to defend BB was good but once he C bets into such a scary flop and you only really have a gutshot and backdoor flush draw its time to think about folding. Hard to see a bluff check-raise working
here against a UTG range.

 

[mariussica88]

What stage of the tournament was this? How many people are left? How many paid? Is this a 6max game?

I can provide more of an opinion with more info.

This is a 5 max Progressive tournament, with 1594 places paid and 9548 players. This hand was played after 1 hour and 50 min since the tournament started and still in the late reg time.
So we still have a lot to play until the money.

I guess I'm not getting anymore info.

My point is that depending on the dynamic of the table and the stage of the MTT, I can seriously play this hand many different ways. I could see folding pre or even jamming pre depending on a few things.

Sorry for the late reply. Busy week this one 🍻

 

[jordanbillie]

This is a 5 max Progressive tournament, with 1594 places paid and 9548 players. This hand was played after 1 hour and 50 min since the tournament started and still in the late reg time.

Thanks for this

Given this info I think folding pre would be a mistake, and I think I'd end up getting to the river just like you did, but I'd fold and save the 8ish BBs for a better spot.