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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6662878, member: 305911"] Jumping to the flop I think it depends on what we think of button villain. BB is going to be/should be somewhat wide with 2.2x raise and a caller in front of them so I not so worried they have the ace. I would think button definitely could have the ace but how often are they vpiping, what is their fold to c bet %? That is what I would be concerned with here with this flop decision. If we dont use a HUD or dont have a read on button then I think a case can be made for either checking or small c betting like 1000 ish. If we did have Ax on this board we would be small c betting anyway since we would be making a bet where we would not be looking for folds. The reason why I dont like checking is that would we ever check an ace here and/or has villain ever seen us check top pair on the flop? If they have then we check here since our checking range is protected but if we havent done that then button villain can easily get us off our hand which they will assume is maybe close to what it is or broadway cards. So for that reason I lean (readless) towards a small c bet and then of course even if we just get called I would proceed with caution. I also want to point out that I like FunDivers point above that if we do check here and then button sizeable bets and BB calls that we are better off folding here as by that point we know at least one of them has an ace. On the turn as played I think we can do either bet or check again. If I bet I would go smaller than you did here by a few hundred chips and if we decided to check then I would be looking to bluff catch. I think I lean towards checking though yes we can target smaller pairs but button I think after two checks to them on the flop bets their 88-JJ there at least a decent portion of the time (results of this hand really show I know what I am talking about here lol) so I would not think they have too many large pairs. River I am a little torn on as well. Our hand when we bet again is starting to look more and more like JJ or 1010 so I am not sure if villain is thinking that they automatically call here with 88 ish. I could be wrong on that and I miss some value at times on the river but I think if check flop, bet turn, check river our hand looks like something that can be bluffed off the pot so I might check this river and see if villain stabs at it and then plan to call. That would not have worked out well in this hand but no way we could ever really know villain had KK after flatting pre. [/QUOTE]

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