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Message: [QUOTE="IADaveMark, post: 6370558, member: 490208"] Ugh. Not at all pleased with calling the 3-bet OOP. Sure, dude's VPIP is high (although his PFR isn't too out of line... almost feels more like a calling station). And yeah, his 3b% is [I]way [/I]high, but you don't have a lot of data on him. 38 hands isn't even remotely close to smooth out the stats. So, putting that aside and treating him as a rando, I'm assuming I'm up against AA, KK, AK, [I]maybe [/I]QQ or AQ. All of those have me crushed. For that matter, A9+ and 99+ has me crushed. And that is a [I]lot [/I]wider than would be normal for a 3-bet range. So you flopped middle pair on a somewhat draw-heavy board. I agree with the check and was not expecting the check back there. OTOH, Villain could have done that with 99, 88, or 2 higher spades. When the turn hits that makes the flush out there, the straight out there [I]and [/I]it brings another overcard to your 8s, why are you calling this? What are you hoping you are up against? If he has a 9 or T, you have 5 outs (12%)—and even those are questionable. If he has spades already, you are hosed. If he has a straight (e.g. QJ is a decent possibility), you are hosed. You needed to let this go at this point. But not only did you call that 1/2 pot bet where you were likely behind, you then called the [I]full [/I]pot bet on the river. Considering that calling the pre-flop 3bet was iffy [I]and then it got worse from there,[/I] you lost a ton of chips on this. And no, it doesn't matter what the [I]actual [/I]result was on this hand, this is [I]not [/I]a good line at all. [/QUOTE]

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