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[QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6456946, member: 305911"]
Im folding this pre flop as to me it look like you were in position on the button based on how you write the hand.  I get the position aspect but a hand like J8 off can get sucked into a hand depending on the flop.  Much better in the long run to fold here as you already wrote.

As played on the flop for around half pot I think we should be calling here.  If we are going to get involved with a hand like this by calling pre then we should not only continue when we hit two pair or larger but be prepared to continue even with a pair.

The turn is a good card for us but we could still be behind bigger pocket pairs.  We should be happy that our hand strengthened as far as showdown value is concerned since there are less 10x now but I still would be playing this hand to try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.  Being out of position here I would be checking and hoping villain checks behind.  I would call most sizings here but as it approaches pot then we have to think about folding.  However, this card should slowdown the JJ+ hands so bets here are 10x (fewer now), draws, and bluffs.  I think a lot villains hands here will check back turn which we should be happy with.
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