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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 7148710, member: 397965"] Preflop I understand, what you are trying to do here, but jumping right to the results, I think, both you and kdmeteor miss one of the issues with bad hands, which is, that they always offer reverse implied odds, especially when stacks are kind of deep. Of course 50-60BB is not really deep, but for a tournament on the bubble its very deep. The reverse implied odds comes from the fact, that even when bad hands hit the board hard, they have far more risk of being at the bad end of a cooler. They make bottom two pair, they make trips with a bad kicker, they make a bad straight, they make a bad flush. So I would just fold here, and then of course the rest of hand would not have happened. Flop I will trust kdmeteor here, that the sizing is probably a sign of strength in a live game (not so much online), and in that case its definitely just a call. And we should also be thinking already about the fact, that we might not always want to play for stacks, since the Stack to Pot ratio is at least 8, and this being the bubble the Villain is likely not stacking off a single pair for 60BB. Turn When he donk out on the flop and check turn, it looks a lot like, he has a flushdraw, so I would definitely bet here for value. However when he check-jam, I think, you need to find a fold. I agree with kdmeteor, that its highly unlikely, he takes such a "fancy" line with a flushdraw, and I also dont think, this is ever a worse made hand than yours. From the way, you describe your thought process, I think, you are getting way to caught up with the idea of blockers. Yes you do somewhat significantly block sets, but you only block 1/3 of the combos of A4 and A9, and you dont block A8. So there are still 1+1+ 6+6 (+9) = 14 (23) logical combos of value, that you lose to. I put A8 in brackets, because maybe he dont always donk out big on the flop with that hand. And if these strong made hands are the ones, that are most consistent with his action, then its highly likely, he has one of them. It reminds me of something, Joe Stableton once said on the TV poker show "Big Game": "I dont think, Phil (Helmuth) has a feeling, he (Donni Stern) is bluffing, I think, he WANTS him to be bluffing". In this hand it seems like, you WANTED your opponent to be on a draw, and for that reason you were looking for ways to justify, that he was probably on a draw rather than looking objectively at the situation. Hand starts at 12:00. [MEDIA=youtube]Kdd9F5Ksqns[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]

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