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Message: [QUOTE="primrose, post: 7131798, member: 1036998"] He did not show the King, but I would be quite surprised if he didn't have it both based on live tells and game mechanics. Live tells: just, if people fold a missed draw they just muck immediately, often they muck as soon as they see you grabbing chips, before you've made the bet. They don't pretend to be making a hard choice. Mechanics: Low suited Aces have no business limping 20 BB deep. You could say, okay so what he's not a good player, he can overvalue them. But overvaluing weak hands isn't really the mistake that this player type makes. I'd guess you're way overestimating the number of draws in his range. Broadway spades, yes, but there are like 8 combinations of those. The guy also does not think, "this is a 25% pot bet, I should continue wide". He very likely does not know the exact size of the bet in relation to the pot, especially not at the Turn and River. [/QUOTE]