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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6522414, member: 397965"] [B]hand1[/B] Preflop As others have said, your 3-bet is way to small with 3 field callers in the pot. You need to make it minimum 5.000 chips here to either thin the field or take it down preflop. UTG kind of bailed you out by 4-betting, because if he just call, then everyone else will call as well, as you are in a really bad spot with QQ. When he 4-bet, its for almost 1/3 of his stack, so its close to pot commitment but not quite. The other players fold, which is good, and now the decision is on you. And I think, this is a jam or fold spot. Yes he can have AA or KK, in fact those hands are quite likely, when he open UTG and then 4-bet. But just calling does not solve that problem. You stacked off on the turn, and at this point he can still have AA or KK. Those hands did go away from his range, so you just delayed a difficult decision to later in the hand. Maybe calling would be fine, if you were in position, or if you had AA. But out of position with QQ, you are creating an environment, where postflop is going to be far more difficult for you, than it is for him. If you had sized your 3-bet correctly and still got 4-bet, I think, this is actually a fold, since his 4-betting range should then mainly be AA or KK. However because you undersized your 3-bet, he does have more incentive to 4-bet to drive all the other players out. And for that reason, and because you can win his bounty, I think, QQ is good enough to close your eyes and get it in. Flop As played I dont see any reason for a donk bet. Your hand is basically a bluffcatcher in a 4-bet pot, since his range should not contain hands like AJ or KJ. He either have you beat, or he have nothing, and in such a situation you can check-call or check-fold, but there is no reason to bet. Turn You apparently realised your mistake, since you checked now, and having already put in half your stack, I would also not fold now. But to be honest, you will be beat here the majority of the time, so its more a pot odds type call than anything else. Conclusion Its cool, that you got him to make a mistake by stacking off AK on the turn as an ill-advised bluff. But he would likely also have stacked off preflop. Or if he fold, thats even better, since there was already 16k in the pot, and he only had 22k left. [/QUOTE]

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