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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6540545, member: 305911"] Pre: I like just calling here as really the only good choice. I get the raise angle but for fold equity early on when everyone is deep (or even fairly deep as here) we have to go really big (4x might not even do it) and if called then we are playing a large pot, OOP, with Q10 off. Q10 off is a nice hand to see a cheap flop with so I recommend just completing here as you did and seeing what happens. Flop: You could lead here especially since this is a paired board scenario where if you had trips you would lead due to the two diamonds, ace on the board that you would get value from, a draw heavy broadway board, etc. but I like just seeing what everyone does here and check. I mentioned l like playing pre passive here and letting it unfold for cheap so I would stick with that mindset here and check evaluate. We then face a bet which I would really pay attention to the bet sizing here. Its a large bet so to me this villain has either Jx or Ax they are protecting or they are bluffing. I dont think draws bet this way (imo anyway) so thats enough for me to think that even if it is a bluff I will face another bet on the turn and it still could be that if I hit on the turn that I am up against something bigger so I like folding here and getting out of it not investing that much. We also still have BB behind us who I would think likely at this point has nothing but you never know so its just another reason to pitch here and move on. Turn: As played after calling the large flop bet and getting a call behind us its a card that can suck us in here to places we dont want to go. I think I would never lead here whether I hit it or not so checking is the correct play as you did. The small bet by villain after making a big bet on the flop really scares me. Unless this is a player who just is picking bet sizes out of thin air (always possible) this to me says I have a hand that I dont need to protect as much anymore meaning it got better. I dont think a draw after the turn card would bet this small as they would probably just take a free card. With that said its tough for us to have the hand we have and fold to such a small bet. I think this is one where if I got to this point I would have to call but would be hating knowing the reverse implied odds could be really bad for me. When BB check raises after our call its an easy fold as you do. My guess here is BB is either trying to steal it (would not be wise) or they have the flush but I got that bad feeling CO has the boat. Not sure if you remember what everyone had but that large flop, small turn bet sizing has me thinking big for CO. [/QUOTE]

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