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Message: [QUOTE="Turtleknife, post: 1698209, member: 73029"] Hey guys. Saw this thread on my ALERTS and thought I would chime in as I am a regular user fo Holdem Indicator and Tournament Indicator. If I see someone who is talking out of their ear, I automatically know they don't know much about poker calculators. :) In fact, yes they do offer odds and if you are multi-tabling, this does come in very handy. Anybody ever multitable? If you only have seconds to make a decision, then you really want to be looking at profile stats and stack sizes, not making simple math calculations in your head. Of course this does not mean you shouldn't know your odds and when you need to at a live table, you have mega-minutes to figure that out. If we followed your argument here, then there would be no need for ANY calculators in life at all. You know you can figure out what 423 x 16 = right? But would you do it by hand if you had a calculator? Doubt it. Same principle applies here. If you think using an odds calculator means that same person doesn't know how to use the information, I will tell you there are over 100,000 users of such products online on a regular basis and I am just one of them. Since you made such a sweeping (and outrageous) assumption I invite you to search my sharscope > Turtleknife. There has never been a poker calculator that has had ONLY the features you offered here. Even the ones I would not recommend have more info than this. In fact Holdem Indicator and Tournament Indicator offer as much profiling stats as HEM and PT3. And they have the most flexible HUD features on the market as well. HUD is not a product in itself as some use the term here, a HUD holds the information the user wants displayed, so if you want pot odds, number of outs, hand rankings, win odds etc. displayed in it as well, the Indicator products offer that too, unlike HEM and PT3. [/QUOTE]

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