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Message: [QUOTE="Mr Whatever, post: 1541661, member: 70574"] [B][SIZE=2][SIZE=1]Without going any further here, if u tell me the HUD overlays on pokertracker that takes the info from hand histories, compiles these stats and helps u make decisions by players tendencies right there while at the table -doesn’t give u an advantage over some1 who doesn’t use it (especially over beginners). . . then I don’t know about u ppl.[/SIZE] [/SIZE][/B] [COLOR=black]TPC TPC TPC . . .where do we begin. . .. lolololololol [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Come on if ur gonna disagree with me, thats fine, I welcome it, no, no, I enjoy it because it gets me thinking more about the topic but these statements of urs. . . . . I don’t know. [/COLOR] [B][SIZE=2]Issue 1[/SIZE][/B] [COLOR=black]U type: With a little research they would know about them. When you are interested in something don't you try to get more info on it? Stumble onto any poker forum and you'll find threads where people say he was a 30/10/1.5. Eventually they will figure out what those numbers mean and where they come from. Heck, at least once a month I see someone ask what those numbers mean here on CC.[/COLOR] A little research? How many of u ppl on this forum started playing online poker before getting a program like poker tracker? Did u play poker 1st and have the program running the very 1st time u played? That’s not the case with me. But I might be ignorant here. How long was it before u ppl started playing poker then joined a poker forum so u could find out about programs like poker tracker? Did u go on a forum 1st or play poker 1st. Issue 2: [COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Quote:[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Originally Posted by [B]Mr Whatever[/B] [/COLOR] [I][COLOR=black]but the way they are, these programs just give the user additional info on their opponents that a lot of the time wouldn’t normally get if the user just relied on normal hand histories.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black]And u directly type: ”All the data comes from normal hand histories and no place else.”[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]It’s the final product im interested with when the hand histories are added up and compiled. U can take a block of aluminum and reshape it into a car. Add some windows and wheels and ur basically good to go. that would get u from point a to point b much faster than a block of aluminum, right? But the car is made from the aluminum right? See my point? Same thing with taking the info from hand histories. It’s the same info, but its been manipulated with graphs and other info concerning individual players tendencies like certain hands they’ve lost with, how much they’ve lost in the that hand and session, in what position etc (ie the windows and tires) that gives u an advantage. [/COLOR] [B]Issue 3:[/B] [COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Quote:[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Originally Posted by [B]Mr Whatever[/B] [/COLOR] [I][COLOR=black]I wouldn’t call for an outright ban of them though lolol but I would like the poker sites to better advertise or at least tell players about them to equal the playing field.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black]Then u immediately type: “Look around some sites offer deals that give HEM away for free. Heck Full Tilt and I think stars now have schools that are free to players. I'm sure tracking software comes up in those lessons at some point. Do you expect the poker site to play your hands for you too?”[/COLOR] What major online poker site where most ppl play at and especially where new players flock to tell u about programs like poker tracker besides in the authorized/nonauthorized software page of their site? How many ppl signing up to these sites read that page or even the contract to begin with? lol No no no, I disagree with u. when the actual poker site offers a program like pokertracker to their standing program then I could say “yeah everyone has it and the playing field is equal”. But its not like that and like I said earlier not every1 playing has a program like poker tracker or even knows about them. U have to go out of ur way to get the program because its an addon. [B]Issue 4:[/B] [COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Quote:[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Originally Posted by [B]Mr Whatever[/B] [/COLOR] [I][COLOR=black]u can break down some1s game rather quickly in a shorter time and relatively shorter hands.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black]Again, just more proof you are someone bitching about something you haven't even taken the time to research. [B]Most of the data takes time to converge. Which means you need a lot of hands on someone to get a good picture of what they are doing.[/B] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]If im playing just 4 tables with the same person over just a few days, how long will do u think it take to use poker tracker to get stats on what pots they lost to certain players, their betting tendencies and what positions they are winning and losing money in and other important tendencies? come on, be serious lololollol. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]If u think that u cant examine someone’s poker game faster with poker tracker than with a normal hand history. . . .loloolo I just don’t know lololol. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black][B]Issue 5:[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Quote:[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Originally Posted by [B]Mr Whatever[/B] [/COLOR] [I][COLOR=black]Those databases, especially those databases I don’t like. if the names of those players would be replaced with a generic name I could see some1 working on their game to improve their play and it wouldnt be such an advantage.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black]then u type:There wouldn't be a point to them then. And how is it an advantage when everyone can use it?[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]that’s my point ur using them to exploit [B]particular people[/B] not as learning tools as so many say. [B]u even admit there is an [/B][/COLOR][SIZE=2][COLOR=black][B]advantage[/B][/COLOR][B] of using a program like poker tracker than using just a normal hand history so ur just ranting.[/B] [SIZE=1]if u used generic names or whatever like in Poker Academy I could understand that these programs were being used as training tools. and if your opponents doesn’t have the software then theyre at a clear disadvantage to u, plain and simple.[/SIZE][/SIZE] If u had simply said something like: I only pay attention the options that help with my bankroll management like my session details and disregard the database. I woulda said ur probably the few that do and then yeah not much of an advantage there over ur competion. But u clearly say here that such programs are worthless without the database lololololo, so ur confirming ur using the addon program to exploit their weaknesses. Overall I don’t care if u use em or not, Im gonna adjust my game accordingly when facing ppl ive been playing for awhile. [B]But to say that it doesn’t give some1 an advantage over some1 that doesn’t use it. . . .lolol. look if it doesn’t give u an advantage, theres no need to use em right? [/B] I don’t know ppl, all im seeing here are ur opinions and zippo reasons why it doesn’t give u an advantage like u claim. I know u ppl love these programs but come on, give me some reasons why these programs don’t give u an advantage since u ppl feel so strongly that they dont. I never said theyre bad or that u shouldn’t use em. im claiming they give u an advantage over the person that’s not using em. [COLOR=black]Tpc nearly all ur reasoning is based on thinking that every1 is like u and uses programs like pokertracker. Joe average and nancy beginner aren’t using it or even know about it. And u have an advantage over them. [/COLOR] like i said, i wouldnt call for an outright ban on em lolol like the original poster wants lolol, but i wish the poker sites would inform players of such programs much better. [/QUOTE]

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