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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 5896262, member: 397965"] Yeah the original post has been deleted, which as you say can have a number of different explanations. However it still stands, that the TOS of ACR are, as they are, and that they are frankly completely ridiculous and unacceptable. And this is way more important than, what actually happened to this particular player. As several have said stalling can be anoying to some players, but its not against the rules of the game. And since everyone have the same amount of time, everyone can do it, so nobody can gain an "unfair" advantage. And the same can be said about "bum hunting" and "rat holing". Everyone can do that, so there is nothing "unfair" about it. The real issue here is, that poker sites want to accomodate recreational players, which to some extend is fine. But when they do it by prohibiting "for profit" players from doing anything, which might annoy recreational players, and allow themselfes to steal the "for profit" players money at their own discretion, then its simply to much. One have to ask, where this will stop? I am sure many recreational players find it annoying, when their limps or stupid donk min-bets get raised. So should this then also be considered "unethical" and result in a threat of having your money stolen by the poker site? And if not then what is the difference? This issue also goes buyond ACR. GG Poker have similar TOS, and when confronted with this of course DNEG defended it, because they are paying him a bunch of money to do so. "But we never actually steal peoples money for doing bum hunting" DNEG said. Maybe not, but why then do you still ask people to sign a contract, which allow you to steal their money at your own discretion? "Unethical play" according to ACR also includes abuse of the chat. And sure I can understand, that if I go crazy in the chat and verbally abuse other players, then the poker site might kick me out. That would also happen, if I go in a bar and do the same thing there. But what I dont expect is, that the bar will steal my coat and my bag containing my laptop and cellphone, which I left in the wardrobe before entering. These items are rightfully mine, even I lost my temper inside the bar. And so are the money, which I deposited or won on a poker site. So this kind of TOS allowing the poker site to steal players money for all sorts of random bullshit reasons are just not acceptable. And I hope to have drawn a bit more attention to the issue with this post. [/QUOTE]

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