ACR PLO: Why do I see one of my folded cards on the board again?

[lyki67]

Hi people.

In this sit&go tournament by ACR this evening is something strange happen. Here is screenshot.



Someone see what is problem??

There are TWO sevens of diamonds. One in my pocket cards and one in FLOP.

How many card decks are in this Omaha H/L game?

Have you some explanation.

If someone need more details for this game (date, time, tournament number e.c.) let me know.

 

[najisami]

That's very weird indeed, but similar thing has happened to me once with party poker. I contacted them by phone and the rep kept telling me that it was impossible. Unfortunately, I had no screenshot.

 

[enno]

Never seen this before in the older days on any site , but when looking for new sites to play on I think I will eliminate ACR.

 

[MK_]

Yeah, it's some insane thing where Acr decided to add cards back into the deck to reshuffle,

....totally absurd if you ask me🙃👍

 

[Mazembe]

Wow this is very wierd, I've never come across such a thing.

 

[Aleksandr1991]

Contact our support team!!!!

 

[MK_]

ACR "Software Glitch"?

I haven't been here in a while, but I still play online a little. I've been playing online poker for about 16 yrs and I've never seen this. Have you? The image is from the completed hand before in which I folded the flop, and 3 other players went to the turn. Weird how the folded ace...

www.cardschat.com

 

[eetenor]

ACR uses

Hi people.

In this sit&go tournament by ACR this evening is something strange happen. Here is screenshot.

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Someone see what is problem??

There are TWO sevens of diamonds. One in my pocket cards and one in FLOP.

How many card decks are in this Omaha H/L game?

Have you some explanation.

If someone need more details for this game (date, time, tournament number e.c.) let me know.

ACR uses a reshuffle in PLO---to stop collusion --your hand was folded preflop but you can still see what you were dealt and it was put back in the deck and thus shows up on the flop. No glitch.

 

[Acechador]

You should send an email to customer service and tell them about the incident, so they can refund your buy-in fee, it's the least they should do... that room is a tremendous scam.

 

[Urameshi]

lol. Thank you for reminding why I stop playing at that stupid site

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

You should send an email to customer service and tell them about the incident, so they can refund your buy-in fee, it's the least they should do... that room is a tremendous scam.

I suggest u to read the thread first before u answer 🥱 it's because they reshuffle folded cards back into the deck.

 

[Poker Orifice]

ACR uses

ACR uses a reshuffle in PLO---to stop collusion --your hand was folded preflop but you can still see what you were dealt and it was put back in the deck and thus shows up on the flop. No glitch.

Wow. I didn't know this (I rarely play PLO) but it sounds like a great idea.

 

[Sparta77]

Interesting division... How can this exist?

 

[armoko]

that's why I quite playing on ACR

 

[mssmotilda]

This is the first time I've seen such a trick.

 

[FastOne]

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ACR uses a reshuffle in PLO---to stop collusion --your hand was folded preflop but you can still see what you were dealt and it was put back in the deck and thus shows up on the flop. No glitch.

Thank you! I didn't know this. I'm glad they do it this way, makes total sense.

 

[puzzlefish]

Cool, now colluders can count which cards may show up on the community board when they fold, or increase the chances of their friends hitting sets and full houses.

 

[Andyreas]

Cool, now colluders can count which cards may show up on the community board when they fold, or increase the chances of their friends hitting sets and full houses.

No? Since it makes literally no difference if they had the cards before they folded since they are shuffled back into the deck.
Technically it's the same probability as if they did not have it.

It's done to prevent collusion.

Or did you miss out a "not"?

 

[Goggelheimer]

Another reason for being a bit more skeptic about the seriousness of all poker rooms.
Reshuffling is scam whatever is the reason for it.
Have you ever seen in live poker that the cards are reshuffled after the mucked cards go to the dealer.
How often can a deck be reshuffled by the computer lets say in 2 or 5 seconds to achieve the result the poker room wants to have (perhaps to keep new players in the game, or to keep highrollers as highrollers). The room has always the nice "excuse": It is all variance.
Scam to protect the players from scammers/cheaters is and ever will be scam,
no matter if it is reshuffling,
or the dead card in live poker before each street to protect the players from card counters that have marked the cards backsides(or print production errors) to keep the game a bit more unpredictable.

 

[puzzlefish]

No? Since it makes literally no difference if they had the cards before they folded since they are shuffled back into the deck.
Technically it's the same probability as if they did not have it.

It's done to prevent collusion.

Or did you miss out a "not"?

I mean, if they don't fold, then they collude by sharing information about what cards are not in the community stack that is yet to be dealt - and if they do fold, then they share information about what cards are still in the community stack (which now includes cards that they folded). Am I wrong?

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

Another reason for being a bit more skeptic about the seriousness of all poker rooms.
Reshuffling is scam whatever is the reason for it.
Have you ever seen in live poker that the cards are reshuffled after the mucked cards go to the dealer.
How often can a deck be reshuffled by the computer lets say in 2 or 5 seconds to achieve the result the poker room wants to have (perhaps to keep new players in the game, or to keep highrollers as highrollers). The room has always the nice "excuse": It is all variance.
Scam to protect the players from scammers/cheaters is and ever will be scam,
no matter if it is reshuffling,
or the dead card in live poker before each street to protect the players from card counters that have marked the cards backsides(or print production errors) to keep the game a bit more unpredictable.

It's a way to protect fair players from scammers which are plo players who share wholecards with other cheaters. the rooms does not have any benefit from it so where is the scam exactly?

When I first saw this I was also very skeptic but after I really thought about it and considering all the stuff I read in different Forums I came to this conclusion:

They should implement this in any online pokergame possible where people are not in the same room. As soon as possible. Especially in rooms with low or no game security.

Basic chances do not change and the game is the same. To blame are certain groups.

 

[Andyreas]

I mean, if they don't fold, then they collude by sharing information about what cards are not in the community stack that is yet to be dealt - and if they do fold, then they share information about what cards are still in the community stack (which now includes cards that they folded). Am I wrong?

I don't think so, but it's still less information for the colluders than without reshuffling.

Let's say you play 20% of your hands, then they know about 20% of additional cards not being dealt anymore, while in 80% they lose this information. Opposed to 100% of cards without reshuffling.

In my opinion the problem is definitely the colluders. The reshuffling is only a way to fight it, with the prize of appearing confusing at first.

 

[MK_]

I don't think so, but it's still less information for the colluders than without reshuffling.

Let's say you play 20% of your hands, then they know about 20% of additional cards not being dealt anymore, while in 80% they lose this information. Opposed to 100% of cards without reshuffling.

In my opinion the problem is definitely the colluders. The reshuffling is only a way to fight it, with the prize of appearing confusing at first.

I think the issue with Acr is the bots and the colluders, ... but if changing the game to this extent is the only way to fight it...

then Acr needs a new tech team with better ideas, recently they have removed player countries in some effort to fight

bots, that doesn't help anything, it also has terrible optics when they hide info from players,

now they reshuffle discarded cards and don't think of the optics of how that looks to players???,

what did they think was gonna happen when players see discarded cards magically reappear?,

they are causing more harm to their own site than anything else... but hey go for it Acr👍

 

[Andyreas]

but hey go for it Acr👍

Yeah, I'm not really sad they excluded germany some month ago. Not really missing anything out there 😅

 

[MK_]

Yeah, I'm not really sad they excluded Germany some month ago. Not really missing anything out there 😅

I saw they excluded Germany last year, now they have blocked what country people are from showing in some effort

to defeat bots... no idea how that helps anything, then they do this craziness with reshuffling,

also was reading about how they issued a challenge of awarding 100K to anyone who could

prove they ran a bot on Acr which a player did and they rescinded the offer,

not a good look for Acr all the way around recently,

oh let's not forget the no chat thing, I just hate that lol,

...anyway last time I was there traffic was terrible so you're right, not missing much👍