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Message: [QUOTE="IntenseHeat, post: 2032319, member: 92488"] SpadeClub was my first online poker site as well. I couldn't become a full member because I lived in Georgia. From what I understand, they had a large, loyal user base, but still had a hard time turning a profit. Their software was outstanding and there was a strong sense of community on the site. When they went under, they sent most of their user's to CardPlayer Poker(ZEN), which I'm not sure had anything to do with CardPlayer Magazine or the Schulmans. Barry, being CEO of CardPlayer and Jeff having been owner of SpadeClub. Most players were given a couple months free on CardPlayer and those players with several months left on their SC subscriptions had their subscriptions honored by CP. Most of the players I know played until their free trial or existing subscriptions expired, then left and never came back. A lot of them ended up playing on a site called Grrrinders.com, a web based site, with no downloadable software. You just logged on and played in your browser. Their player base wasn't large enough to support the tournament payouts that they were offering to try to bring players in. But with many of the old SpadeClub players playing there, it had that strong feeling of community that inspired loyalty in it's players. I personally thought CardPlayer (ZEN Gaming) sucked. One thing that always amazed me about membership sites was that even though all their tounreys were freerolls, there was a surprisingly high level of play on them. With CardPlayer being the exception. I hated their software and thought their customer service sucked. When I was creating my account, their software rejected my name, IntenseHeat, because it was "indecent". I tried for about a week to get it worked out, but eventually gave up. What bothered me is that they just completely ignored me. They didn't try to explain why my name was offensive. They didn't even bother to feed me a line a bullcrud, or blow smoke up my butt. They just didn't respond, expept to send me some generic statement about standards of decency, but wouldn't tell me what was indecent about IntenseHeat. I don't rememeber what CardPlayer charged per month, but Grrrinders charged $30, which I think is about average for membership sites. SpadeClub used to charge $20. They should have charged $30. They would probably still be in business if they had. I know I would have paid it, given the opportunity. They were worth it. None of the membership sites I've tried since have been. Least of all ZEN Gaming and CardPlayer. I'm surprised that they lasted as long as they did. [/QUOTE]

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