okeedokalee
Glory To Ukraine
Loyaler
All poker sites should prevent Russians from playing.
This sort of pressure would help make them aware of what the rest of the world thinks of his destruction of a sovereign nation.
This sort of pressure would help make them aware of what the rest of the world thinks of his destruction of a sovereign nation.
10gerka
Legend
Platinum Level
now they are affecting the russian players, a pity that this is happening, but hopefully soon this will be solved for the welfare not only of russia and ukraine but of the whole world, we want peace and not war.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
I think, there are bot users in several countries and not just Russia. I also think, the vast majority of online poker players from Russia play an honest game. Lets not get overly emotional about this and start blaming whole groups of people for wrongdoing without evidence.
efranto2286
Legend
Bronze Level
The people and players of any sport should not pay for the decisions of their rulers... I am sure that the majority of the Russian people do not want war but what they can do to avoid it... I have seen that some have publicly protested and suffered the consequences of his regime
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MrBrian
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Soverignity
They shouldn't be penalizing Russian citizens. Back when Hillary Clinton accused Russia of manipulating the Elections it forced Russia to manipulate the Elections. It forced Trump's entire administration to live with this side show. This, was back in 2016. Escalate the situation further, to now, 2022, and I have to say, although American they should not be penalizing Russia Citizens.
They shouldn't be penalizing Russian citizens. Back when Hillary Clinton accused Russia of manipulating the Elections it forced Russia to manipulate the Elections. It forced Trump's entire administration to live with this side show. This, was back in 2016. Escalate the situation further, to now, 2022, and I have to say, although American they should not be penalizing Russia Citizens.
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DS3
Legend
Loyaler
The people and players of any sport should not pay for the decisions of their rulers... I am sure that the majority of the Russian people do not want war but what they can do to avoid it... I have seen that some have publicly protested and suffered the consequences of his regime
Unfortunately, this does not appear to be true.
The most recent independent surveys in Russia (some genuinely exist) show support has increased for Putin since the invasion began.
Certainly there are those who are against the invasion but it seems the majority are for it, and sadly it's a little ridiculous for anyone to claim they are all clueless as to what is taking place.
Edit - just in case people find the above hard to believe -
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...utin-s-ukraine-war-as-kremlin-muzzles-dissent
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pocketace222
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Crazy thing is they still allow players from Belarus to play still, they should be banned just as Russians are. It's sad this has happened and this isn't but one man's decision on the invasion... The problem is everyone accepts it and the west is to scared to show some military back bone... but wait we can go to Afghanistan and Iraq.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Why not? As DS3 say, the majority of russians seem to support Putin and his invasion. There are even forum members, who have come onto other threads about the subject and tried their best to convince people, that Russias attack on Ukraine is the fault of someone else, be it "the west", NATO, USA or "ukrainean nazis". And sorry to say but if you want war, then war is what you get. Russians should consider themselfes lucky, that so far they are only hit by sanctions and not by bombs falling over Moscow or St. Petersburg.
Alex70793
Visionary
Bronze Level
I don't believe it, it's all Putin's propaganda, for example, I know for sure that in my city administration workers were ordered to demonstrate in support of the war, local residents condemned this act in local social media groups.
pokerstars has already unblocked the withdrawal of money for Russian players a week ago.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
DS3 is quoting Bloomberg though, which is a western media. Sure the pool was carried out by a russian institute, but they have been doing them for a long time, and the pattern is repeating itself. Every time Putin start a new war, his approval rating go up. Which might even be his main reason for doing it. I think, its way to easy to just dismiss this as "Putins propaganda".
Thats good. I am all for not allowing russians to play on western poker sites, but the money, they have sitting there, is theirs and should be returned by the sites.
ScooperNova
Hair in a Biscuit
Loyaler
So Russian propaganda is good when it supports a certain narrative? "Independent study" done by whom? Russian pollsters. Are we to believe Putin allows the Levada Center to poll Russian citizens free from control? That's beyond laughable. We're supposed to believe the government controls the internet and the news but they allow independent pollsters. I keep seeing people post this everywhere. It's beyond my understanding why people are accepting obvious Russian propaganda when it demonizes Russian citizens to people living everywhere else. It only makes the Russian government appear to have the support of it's citizens. It's so obviously Russian propaganda. It blows my mind that after so many years of calling everything Russian propaganda, people want to suddenly accept it when it validates their beliefs. It's amazing the same people who called a million things Russian propaganda that actually weren't, are now using buying Russian propaganda as a rationalization to accept the suffering of Russian citizens.
MrrrRock
Rock Star
Bronze Level
well please tell me that is not bulls@it? why not just add russian balances to ukrainian players... why semi-sanctions... why they just not go all in, or its all about to make more news and developing the story.... nothing new folks, nothing new
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Chase
Rock Star
Silver Level
I'm not sure what the current situation is with Pokerstars vis-a-vis Russia, but here's a current list of companies who have taken their business elsewhere specifically because of the Russian invasion in Ukraine.
https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-500-companies-have-withdrawn-russia-some-remain
https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-500-companies-have-withdrawn-russia-some-remain
Risto234
põrandaalune pokkerimängija
Loyaler
The people and players of any sport should not pay for the decisions of their rulers... I am sure that the majority of the Russian people do not want war but what they can do to avoid it... I have seen that some have publicly protested and suffered the consequences of his regime
Maybe but then again if you would look to russians here at cardchat then you would see more of people who actually support all of that rather than are against it at all costs :bebored:
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Actually I think, the majority of people in the west would prefer Putin to not be popular. I would certainly prefer that, because then their would be a chance of a regime change in Russia soon. So I dont really see any kind of confirmation bias here to be honest.
ScooperNova
Hair in a Biscuit
Loyaler
True for the west. That wasn’t the issue however. The issue is getting people on board for the suffering of Russian citizens. Russia propaganda says Russian citizens support the war effort and we shouldn’t buy that to make ourselves feel better about the suffering of common people.
There will be suffering regardless from innocent citizens of any countries directly involved and even citizens of other countries to a much lesser degree. The entire point of pushing this propaganda is basically war mongering and trying to muster up public support for current sanctions and possibly more extreme measures in the future. I think we should all hope for de-escalation from all sides and information like this do not support that in any way.
The only effect this has on the citizens of western nations is the numbing of their empathy for Russian citizens. To be clear, support could be great within the RF, but we just don’t know that and there’s no way we should be accepting Russian propaganda even if it comes from our favorite information streams. If we’ve learned anything we know that there are no sources that can be trusted 100% and when they’re using Russian pollsters to get a point across we should be VERY weary.
Edit: Without a doubt there are some Russian citizens who support their countries war efforts. We really don’t know the level of support. This would be true everywhere. The majority of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq. Joe Biden supported it. I was personally glad to see Hussein go down but it’s accepted the US invaded under false pretenses.
In the end, let’s just hope things calm down and none of this will matter anyway
. I am afraid things will get worse but I also have hope. I sincerely hope we will quickly come to a time when this conflict ends and all the people of the world can be free of any negative consequences. Let’s just try to love one another and not look for reasons to hate people who have no control of the situation.
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DS3
Legend
Loyaler
Google is but a click away...the history of the Levada Center who's polls are cited as the closest to accurate and independent within Russia.
I've cited them before and even with an acceptable margin of error they still reflect that Putin is popular and as fundiver 1999 pointed out, his popularity has risen each time Russia has taken aggressive action under his direction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levada_Center#:~:text=The%20Levada%20Center%20is%20a,polling%20and%20sociological%20research%20organization.
Further, as several have pointed out Russian members have consistently posted to threads here at CC some inflammatory ideas...yet they have access to this forum, the internet and therefore information as to what is actually taking place in Ukraine.
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