Playing at the same table as your horse: Collusion alert?

[Andyreas]

Hi all,

I was wondering about the following situation:
Imagine if you are staking someone and you are also playing the same tournament. At some point in the tournament, you get transferred to the same table.

How does one need to handle this situation? Do you have to avoid getting into the same hands or something?

 

[jaymfc]

Hi all,

I was wondering about the following situation:
Imagine if you are staking someone and you are also playing the same tournament. At some point in the tournament, you get transferred to the same table.

How does one need to handle this situation? Do you have to avoid getting into the same hands or something?

in my opinion, its collusion (mild) either way but the best way to avoid it is not to play the same tourney as your horse jmo

 

[vladsink]

the situation is interesting but I would play as usual

 

[Gritz18]

How does one need to handle this situation?

Well, in that situation I would send my horse to graze somewhere else.😁🤣

 

[Marshmalo1994]

Hi all,

I was wondering about the following situation:
Imagine if you are staking someone and you are also playing the same tournament. At some point in the tournament, you get transferred to the same table.

How does one need to handle this situation? Do you have to avoid getting into the same hands or something?

I think that if you avoid to play some hands, you are comitting collusion indeed.
I'd play as usual, because is more valuable a 100% of my own prize than a porcentage of the other player's one.

 

[Aleksandr1991]

I would play like I play
It doesn't matter who's around: godfather, matchmaker or brother
you're alone

 

[Dejange]

Hi all,

I was wondering about the following situation:
Imagine if you are staking someone and you are also playing the same tournament. At some point in the tournament, you get transferred to the same table.

How does one need to handle this situation? Do you have to avoid getting into the same hands or something?

i will derfinetelly start side coversation with the horse (messenger, skype, viber, ...). Sharing hands is a solid weapon and gives advantage to both of us towards opponents on the table. Happened to me already, however not during stake. The disadvantage is that at some point - the Table will be relocated ...

 

[fundiver199]

I was wondering about the following situation: Imagine if you are staking someone and you are also playing the same tournament. At some point in the tournament, you get transferred to the same table. How does one need to handle this situation? Do you have to avoid getting into the same hands or something?

You are supposed to just play normal and not communicate about hands etc. If you avoid playing hands against each other, this is already a mild form of collusion, since other players benefit from a confrontation in tournaments. Not the most important thing in the early phase, but certainly important near the bubble or final table, where ICM-pressure is high.

As others have said, the cleanest solution is to not enter the same tournament as your horse. But if its a big event with 1.000`s of entries, the chance of ending up on the same table is so small, it does not really matter. And in reality this happen all the time in high stakes live tournaments, where most of the pros have pieces of each other, if they are not outright part of a stable.

i will derfinetelly start side coversation with the horse (messenger, skype, viber, ...). Sharing hands is a solid weapon and gives advantage to both of us towards opponents on the table.

Which is why, its against the rules and can get both players banned. Please dont advice others to cheat

 

[LUKADONCICMVP]

u play the same way as you would against your friends and parents.

 

[Emily Trott]

Hi all,

I was wondering about the following situation:
Imagine if you are staking someone and you are also playing the same tournament. At some point in the tournament, you get transferred to the same table.

How does one need to handle this situation? Do you have to avoid getting into the same hands or something?

If it were me I would not have entered the tournament to begin with, because I don't believe it to be ethical. Some have compared this situation to playing with friends or family, but it isn't because you stand to profit from both your own play and the play of your "horse". If you both have good games you very well could find yourselves on the final table along with eight or less other players. It would be to your benefit should the two of you end up first and second.

I'm not saying that you would cheat, and you probably wouldn't, but the "appearance of impropriety" would be there one way or the other. This is really no different from judges not recusing themselves from a case involving a friend or family member. As fair and impartial as you or they may be, the appearance is there and that will give them a reputation. One that isn't complimentary, and will be a liability rather than an asset.

Believe me I have personal experience with how a person's reputation can affect how people react to what you say or do. That is the reason why I'm giving you my suggestion on how you should handle this, and the rest is up to you.

 

[G0930]

i will derfinetelly start side coversation with the horse (messenger, skype, viber, ...). Sharing hands is a solid weapon and gives advantage to both of us towards opponents on the table. Happened to me already, however not during stake. The disadvantage is that at some point - the Table will be relocated ...

people got banned precisely for this behaviour.. a.k.a cheating
just sayin

 

[RENEY444]

Dej : thats totally unfair .Please stop .

 

[RhinoRyan89]

Hi all,

I was wondering about the following situation:
Imagine if you are staking someone and you are also playing the same tournament. At some point in the tournament, you get transferred to the same table.

How does one need to handle this situation? Do you have to avoid getting into the same hands or something?

Hi @Andyreas

This seems to be a regular occurrence on GGpoker due to there staking platform where a backer has bought everybody's action and plays the tournament themselves also.

I got staked once in a $15 omahalic bounty tournament and was automatically on the table with my backer.

He bought like 20 people's action in the tournament.

Who i proceeded to bust and take his booty.

I wouldn't approach the game any diffrent

But i suppose that in these live triton events where millions are on the line and players have pieces of each other.

Would they approach the game the same way as usual.

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

i will derfinetelly start side coversation with the horse (messenger, skype, viber, ...). Sharing hands is a solid weapon and gives advantage to both of us towards opponents on the table. Happened to me already, however not during stake. The disadvantage is that at some point - the Table will be relocated ...

Can u confirm that this was in cardschat games when u say "happened already"? Who were the other players that u shared hands/communicated with?

 

[Dejange]

Seems like part of my post was a little provocative ... In order to make it clear - it never happened in CC Events, but in sit'n go games where I was looking more experienced player to help me improve my play and results, many years ago.
And cause the question was related to a possible collusion between backer and horse, this was my point of view - everybody is free to respond on their own, but please awoid granting qualifications ...

 

[greenlarrow]

It is better not to do such things, so as not to have additional problems

 

[markdias]

I would continue to play normally!

 

[23maxim88]

Wouldn't this be considered a team play? In any case, you need to play for yourself.

 

[fundiver199]

Seems like part of my post was a little provocative ... In order to make it clear - it never happened in CC Events, but in sit'n go games where I was looking more experienced player to help me improve my play and results, many years ago.
And cause the question was related to a possible collusion between backer and horse, this was my point of view - everybody is free to respond on their own, but please awoid granting qualifications ...

I also did this many years ago in Zynga Poker play money games trying to help a friend improve his game. We chatted, and I gave him some advice about how to play his hand, and then we also exchanged information about hole cards. I will however strongly warn anyone against doing this in real money games, since real money poker sites have security teams, who look for colluders and other cheaters.

I somewhat regularly get a message from pokerstars and other sites, that a small amount of money was credited to my account, because I played in games, where some sort of cheating took place. Now if you only collude with someone in a single MTT, it will probably not be noticed. But just dont do this. Its unethical, when real money is involved, and there are other and better ways to win in poker than cheating.

 

[Gallarado777]

you need to play as usual you would play with any player just do it and you will be honest with yourself and you will not be blocked as a conspirator I think poker is a one-person game and you will have to play with all players the same way and not treat other players because it's a sport

 

[hardfloor]

our poker sites take a lot to the foot with this type of situation, more with the security in large poker sites in the market and they easily take it with graph of aggressiveness and statistics, and players at the table who feel affected can send a verification to the support in certain situation.
nowadays with large numbers of teams this happens all the time.

 

[Kenzie 96]

i will derfinetelly start side coversation with the horse (messenger, skype, viber, ...). Sharing hands is a solid weapon and gives advantage to both of us towards opponents on the table. Happened to me already, however not during stake. The disadvantage is that at some point - the Table will be relocated ...

Seems like part of my post was a little provocative ... In order to make it clear - it never happened in CC Events, but in sit'n go games where I was looking more experienced player to help me improve my play and results, many years ago.
espond on their own, but please awoid granting qualifications ...

So, collusion is ok as long as your only doing it to take advantage of the other players in the game & to make money? I did get up early this morning, think I will get a good nights sleep & try rereading this tomorrow.