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Message: [QUOTE="quick, post: 4487655, member: 133269"] I agree 100% that having experience playing live poker (esp in a casino) gives a solid perspective on how many wild and crazy beats and things can happen in a hand of poker. I can literally see a bad beat online and recall a time live where a similar situation occurred. It feels more unbelievable online because more hands per hour means more chances to get rocked by 2 outers on the river. If you don't think there's people playing live casino poker who won't shove A3o in early position pre flop, or chase runner runner flush draws 4 way with Q4s , or chase that runner runner gutshot straight with less then 2:1 odds every street...it's like seeing online poker in a real life setting :D As for the action flop theory. Even I used to think it was possible but then I asked myself "as long as there's players like I mentioned above, willing to play any two cards and chase so many things, why does the site need to risk "rigging" the game for bigger action when the players are building the action themselves?" The only part I disagree on as to why online poker likely isn't rigged is the "legal" ramifications. Here's why: One of the biggest online poker markets in the world (USA) has been in a gray area of online poker operations for over 7 years and yet sites continue to operate from offshore in questionable areas and under questionable "auditing." Players continue to play there and some even do well and withdrawal regularly. That said, if we consider only "legal" ramifications as an inspiration to "keep the card shuffles honest," most of these sites have zero legal ramifications if they "rig" the game so no deterrent there. However, money talks , so even if they aren't beholden by legal standards, business 101 says it'd be real bad for business to rig the cards and the action. Why risk the easy cash flow of rake from players 24/7 filling your tables for a few extra cents in rake every hand? Yeah it adds up...but it's all gone quick if people find out the deal is rigged. So these gray area sites get to operate without true legal/auditing oversight while making money and money is the motive so better to stay in business then risk losing your entire customer base in a scandal while also attracting unwanted legal attention. It's one of the same reasons many companies "do good" things like donations or charitable initiatives...sure it's a goodwill gesture and helps things...but it also keeps customers and brings in new ones. All that legal stuff aside, sure there are some sites with poor security or bad bot control and other issues like that. But even sites operating outside the law probably a.) don't want to bring legal attention to their site by having an RNG rigging scandal or b.) lose players because of evidence of RNG rigging...as both are bad for the bottom line of their profits. If a site really doesn't care about long term income generation then they'd probably just use superusers/hole card exploits/backdoors to rip people off and disappear into the night without paying out..and knock on wood, even the grayest of sites currently operating long term still seem to continue and also pay out. [/QUOTE]

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