Why i strongly believe online poker is NOT rigged

[Ujimiflip]

All day yesterday I was on a serious downswing, nearly every hand I played lost,the hands that counted anyway. I was even delt AA in the big blind and UTG +1 min raised, everyone folded I reraised, he snap went all in., I called, he turned over 54o and hit a straight on the river... F all to do with skill lol.. even if I called his original raise the end result would of been the same because nothing scary was on the flop....anyone who thinks different you're a muppit.

Anyway, today is a different story, won all my losses back plus more and overall up on my buy ins. THE ONLY reason someone would think the sites are rigged is if you play on tilt when on a downswing, it turns you're downswing into a MAJOR downswing. The secret is to play EXACTLY the same if your winning or losing no matter what. Take today, I was all in with Ax suided (can't remember exactly) and 3 others went all in, I hit the ace high flush on the turn and one other donkey player with 47s needed a 6 for a straight flush.. and he got it! I kept my cool, came 4th outside the money but very next game I made 2nd place, which I doubt would of happened if I was steaming from the game before.

It's not rigged! Shit happens... then good happens. Keep it cool and you'll make money.

 

[Gary_Heart]

Glad you evened + up
Your stated 'secret' is sound
But I'm still a non-believer that online poker is not rigged.
IMHO - RCGs are computer controlled and 'they' can adjust them as they wish and on the fly.
Anyway - Good Luck @ the tables, Gary.

 

[SpanRmonka]

Very happy for you turned around your session!

@Tammy @Debi @Martin

Can we have a online poker is NOT rigged Megathread yet??

 

[hilary antonik filho]

Congratulations on your performance and for sharing your opinion.

 

[MK_]

I think you make some very good points, ... also glad to hear you chose to play through the variance instead of

looking for someone or something to blame, the sooner people lose the victim mentality the better off they will be,

there is no "they", no one cares if you win or lose, poker is a harsh mistress😎👍

 

[machinm19]

I think a lot of players think it’s rigged because of all the cheating that’s gone on and still goes on.

But as the poster states variance will happen just get over it. The majority of play is legit, cards do not care how many of them are left in the deck they’ll turn up whenever they like. It doesn’t make any sense for the sites to cheat so it’s not rigged.

However there will always be cheats wherever there is money in this world, you can take that to the bank. Online poker, Live poker, Crypto, when you use a visa card at the wrong store. It’s an occupational hazard of being a poker player. Any site can be hacked or disrupted not just a poker site.

The best advice I can give any new player is to go with a long established poker room that deals with cheats with no mercy tactics such as Stars or GG. You only have to look how many GG banned for cheating to know how seriously they take it, they wouldn’t bother doing this or be able to host the wsop unless the site was 1 million % legit.

Congrats on your comeback sounds well deserved.

 

[Poker Orifice]

Very happy for you turned around your session!

@Tammy @Debi @Martin

Can we have a online poker is NOT rigged Megathread yet??

It'd get maybe 5 positive posters in it and the rest would be flooded with "You guys don't know it's actually rigged because you're just a bunch of donkeys &/or newer players"

 

[Colbefc]

If anyone honestly believes that online poker is rigged and still plays online poker they are a fool.

I have played it since it started and as far as I am concerned it is not rigged.

 

[EarnDAStack]

Online poker isn't rigged but most people will never make money.

If you're a losing player it's easier to tell yourself it's rigged instead of admitting it's on you to improve and that you don't beat the game after rake. Rake and tourney fees take a lot of money off the table. If you sit down at a table where everyone is the exact same skill you're all losing money after rake.

Also I'm more of a tilt monkey than I should be. I still make money and don't think it's rigged lol. It definitely made it more difficult to move up to certain stakes and cost me a lot of money but once you acknowledge poker is a strategy game you can improve at it becomes pretty hard to see the overall game as rigged. It's just a savage and unforgiving game that takes no prisoners and puts the onus on you to be responsible. (Hence why I'm still a bit more of a tilt monkey than I should be )

Not to say there aren't individual cases where you are being scammed/ripped off while playing online poker, but the industry isn't "rigged" against you... It just relies on the principal that everyone thinks they are better at stuff than they are, and variance in poker can provide your ego with all sorts of nasty confirmation biases before it sends you home broke crying to your mommy.

As the saying goes,

Poker is a lot like $ex, everyone thinks they are good, most people aren't

GL

EDS

 

[Nomyar26]

Been playing on and off for a couple of years now. Mostly I am on the losing end. Is it being rigged?
Nah, often i made bad calls or missed things, sometimes it s just that the cards in game seem to be against me. Just bad luck for me, but good luck for my opponent.
I never heard of any clear example that it should be rigged, because it always seems there is a player winning, not the house.

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

It'd get "maybe 5 positive posters in it and the rest would be flooded with "You guys don't know it's actually rigged because you're just a bunch of donkeys &/or newer players. And I already play poker since 20 years. I know what I'm talking about."

fyp

 

[Poker Orifice]

Glad you evened + up
Your stated 'secret' is sound
But I'm still a non-believer that online poker is not rigged.
IMHO - RCGs are computer controlled and 'they' can adjust them as they wish and on the fly.
Anyway - Good Luck @ the tables, Gary.

but why? For example: why would they pick me over you... or vice versa?
And how (& why) would this be done 'on the fly'? Is there a 'rigging team' who are on standby, waiting to change the deal? Or is it somehow preprogrammed for player A who has only deposited <$100/year to lose on a preflop All-in as an 80/20 favorite once they are just barely ITM (bubble has just popped). Or do they tag players who are big depositors, to perhaps win a big score in 1 tourney but then somehow the deal gets adjusted so that they lose it all and then deposit again?

How do they decide? Who gets to be the winners? (does anyone get to be a winner?)

 

[Aleksandr1991]

Overall, online poker is not completely unfair, but players should be careful and choose reputable poker rooms that are reputable and secure.

 

[Poker Orifice]

All day yesterday I was on a serious downswing, nearly every hand I played lost,the hands that counted anyway. I was even delt AA in the big blind and UTG +1 min raised, everyone folded I reraised, he snap went all in., I called, he turned over 54o and hit a straight on the river... F all to do with skill lol.. even if I called his original raise the end result would of been the same because nothing scary was on the flop....anyone who thinks different you're a muppit.

Anyway, today is a different story, won all my losses back plus more and overall up on my buy ins. THE ONLY reason someone would think the sites are rigged is if you play on tilt when on a downswing, it turns you're downswing into a MAJOR downswing. The secret is to play EXACTLY the same if your winning or losing no matter what. Take today, I was all in with Ax suided (can't remember exactly) and 3 others went all in, I hit the ace high flush on the turn and one other donkey player with 47s needed a 6 for a straight flush.. and he got it! I kept my cool, came 4th outside the money but very next game I made 2nd place, which I doubt would of happened if I was steaming from the game before.

It's not rigged! Shit happens... then good happens. Keep it cool and you'll make money.

What if you hadn't won all your losses back the following day? Is it still rigged then? It's not unusual for even the best touranment players to have losing days MANY days in-a-row... and to have many losing months in succession too. (these are proven winning players in the longrun).

What if we almost never Tilt but just run terribly. Is it rigged?

What if we had a losing day but then controlled our Tilt issue, played the following day and had a winning session but discovered we were running way above ev and had played lots of hands badly including some that were in crucial spots for a huge amount of bb's. Is it now rigged... or not rigged?

tldr, your theory is based upon too small of a sample size

 

[fernandofcp]

I believe one way to avoid playing with fraud is to opt for platforms with credibility in the world market and already established. When we lose a lot with good hands, we think it is fraud, but when we have many weak hands and won, we don't think it is fraud. These are different points of view for those who are lucky or unlucky in the online poker game.

 

[Tero]

Maybe RNG wants to get caught the acronym is sooooo hinting

Rigged Number Guesser
Repetitive Non-random Garbage
Results Not Genuine
Random? Not Guaranteed.

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

What if you hadn't won all your losses back the following day?

Then a new Thread would probably pop up by him with the title "Why I believe online Poker is DEFINITELY rigged" 👍

 

[puzzlefish]

Just wait until the algos really stick it to you and take back what you made back and more.

 

[mr.fers_one]

If someone thinks that the hands are fixed, then post play offline poker, and with their own eyes will see how coolers can be)) those who think that the room is playing against them, stupidly hope for luck, they play without knowledge, and then complain... familiarize yourself with the basic knowledge of probability theory, and then already talk about the universal conspiracy against you)) the room is specifically from a million people selects you, in order to take blood shchabotannye money, and give it to someone whom they do not know as well as you))

 

[wushibala]

Everyone who’s played long enough has gone through this.
On days like that, it’s better to avoid big buy-ins and wait for the moment when you actually feel it’s your day.
Sometimes you just keep getting outdrawn no matter how strong your hands are — and opponents hit with total garbage.

 

[Gipsystripsy]

Respect, mate. That’s the kind of mindset that separates gamblers from players.


Tilt is the real villain at the table, not variance, not 2 outer river rats, not the RNG. You tanked the bad beats, didn’t go full monkey tilt, and showed up with the same game the next day. That’s how long term winners are made.

 

[greenlarrow]

I completely agree that you have to play poker calmly and the result will come. Sometimes I also see strange lines from my opponents, and it sometimes drives me crazy. But you have to move on and win.

 

[dreamer13]

Everyone has their own opinion. Why is the downstick in online poker many times higher than in live poker.I have played on every poker site. Literally never won on any of them. Played millions of hands of online poker. I believe they use simple algorithms that not only guarantee you will lose, but also make it hard to notice. I only win in freerolls.

 

[sandy358]

All day yesterday I was on a serious downswing, nearly every hand I played lost,the hands that counted anyway. I was even delt AA in the big blind and UTG +1 min raised, everyone folded I reraised, he snap went all in., I called, he turned over 54o and hit a straight on the river... F all to do with skill lol.. even if I called his original raise the end result would of been the same because nothing scary was on the flop....anyone who thinks different you're a muppit.

Anyway, today is a different story, won all my losses back plus more and overall up on my buy ins. THE ONLY reason someone would think the sites are rigged is if you play on tilt when on a downswing, it turns you're downswing into a MAJOR downswing. The secret is to play EXACTLY the same if your winning or losing no matter what. Take today, I was all in with Ax suided (can't remember exactly) and 3 others went all in, I hit the ace high flush on the turn and one other donkey player with 47s needed a 6 for a straight flush.. and he got it! I kept my cool, came 4th outside the money but very next game I made 2nd place, which I doubt would of happened if I was steaming from the game before.

It's not rigged! Shit happens... then good happens. Keep it cool and you'll make money.

A very based take. Hopefully some people from the "bad beats and vents" section will agree with us one day.

 

[Sparta77]

Sometimes I think there's manipulation in the cast, but then I think it can't happen.