The rules of self-exclusion

[I Live Poker]

Some time ago I excluded all my main poker rooms, due to indignation with the nature of poker, together with the security flaws disclosed and proven by users, as well as some other flaws presented even by the rooms (which is much more honest).
So somehow the sum of everything led me to take this impulsive action. However, poker has never caused me any financial harm, nor even to my mental or physical health (lucky me). Quite the contrary, I developed intellectually, learned a lot more about English, to be able to better understand poker slang, and communicate with the global poker community, especially here on cardschat.
Now, 7 months later, I have been checking what I could do to play, and in most rooms there is no reversal, even though it states that the self-exclusion is for an "indefinite period". Except for pokerstars, which has a minimum period of 1 year to reactivate the account, and also at party poker, which I managed to explain and reopen my account a short time ago. The rest: 888poker, GGpoker, ACR and WPTglobal were unable to reopen.
Do the self-exclusion rules vary?
What defines whether an activity is healthy or not for a person?
What kind of protection is this that the person activates themselves?
This sounds like: "I need help!!! Pause; Just a minute and I'll save myself!"

Is there some kind of resentment on the part of the rooms in this bureaucratic issue of reactivation, or is it just a lack of human communication and common sense?

 

[Gary_Heart]

All your questions are good ones and it seems to me best answered by the mentioned poker rooms themselves.
As for healthy activity or harmful addiction , that can only be answered by the person asking the question .
Good Luck, Gary

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

U decided u dont want to be with them
anymore and even took actions to fulfill this desire. They acted along their problem Gambler Policy and told u ok thats no problem and please dont come back.

Sounds like s fair deal to me. Not too much to argue imo.

 

[fundiver199]

I have never understood these impulsive actions of asking for your account to be closed or indefinite self exclusion. If you dont want to play somewhere for whatever reason, then you can just withdraw all your funds and not deposit again. The only reason to do more than this would be, if you are afraid, you might change your mind and make a new deposit to start playing again.

And this is exactly why, these decisions are not easily reversed. Because just like a sober alcoholic might fall into the pond again, the same is also true for people with serious gambling problems. But now done is done, and I think, you should consider yourself lucky, you were able to reopen at least one account. So for now maybe just play there. Its not really that important to play on several different sites anyway.

As for when an activity is unhealthy for a person, I would say, when it affect other parts of your live in a negative way. If you spend so much time playing poker freerolls, that it negatively affect your work, your study, your sleep or your relationship in a serious way, then thats unhealthy, even though it does not cost you any money.

 

[MK_]

Well these all sound like questions you should have asked before you had your accounts closed,

self-exclusion generally indicates some sort of gambling problem so un self-excluding should prove a little difficult,

closing your account is generally permanent, ... poker rooms do have licensing agreements to follow, gl on PS and Party Poker👍

 

[I Live Poker]

All your questions are good ones and it seems to me best answered by the mentioned poker rooms themselves.
As for healthy activity or harmful addiction , that can only be answered by the person asking the question .
Good Luck, Gary

Well, they only give automatic responses...

 

[I Live Poker]

I have never understood these impulsive actions of asking for your account to be closed or indefinite self exclusion. If you dont want to play somewhere for whatever reason, then you can just withdraw all your funds and not deposit again. The only reason to do more than this would be, if you are afraid, you might change your mind and make a new deposit to start playing again.

And this is exactly why, these decisions are not easily reversed. Because just like a sober alcoholic might fall into the pond again, the same is also true for people with serious gambling problems. But now done is done, and I think, you should consider yourself lucky, you were able to reopen at least one account. So for now maybe just play there. Its not really that important to play on several different sites anyway.

As for when an activity is unhealthy for a person, I would say, when it affect other parts of your live in a negative way. If you spend so much time playing poker freerolls, that it negatively affect your work, your study, your sleep or your relationship in a serious way, then thats unhealthy, even though it does not cost you any money.

Yes, we need to implement a self-exclusion system in bars.
Since poker is so dangerous that it makes me unconscious in large doses.🤪

 

[I Live Poker]

Well these all sound like questions you should have asked before you had your accounts closed,

self-exclusion generally indicates some sort of gambling problem so un self-excluding should prove a little difficult,

closing your account is generally permanent, ... poker rooms do have licensing agreements to follow, gl on PS and Party Poker👍

Yes, but the minimum time for reopening was already included in the terms.

 

[I Live Poker]

The most ironic thing about all this is that the salons that make the most mistakes with their clients are the ones that don't forgive mistakes.
To be honest, of the rooms I can no longer play at, I'm only interested in playing at two again, 888 Poker and WPT Global.

 

[I Live Poker]

But that's okay, life is like that, nothing in the world lasts forever, one door closes and ten open.
Thanks for the considerations guys!

 

[I Live Poker]

In short, what I want to say is that self-exclusion makes no sense at all. People who are addicted will never self-exclude; they may just uninstall the software out of impulsiveness. And it is out of impulsiveness that a person who is not addicted self-excludes.
In other words, it is just a good boy's adornment, but it does not solve anything; it is only to exempt oneself from responsibility.

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

In short, what I want to say is that self-exclusion makes no sense at all. People who are addicted will never self-exclude; they may just uninstall the software out of impulsiveness. And it is out of impulsiveness that a person who is not addicted self-excludes.
In other words, it is just a good boy's adornment, but it does not solve anything; it is only to exempt oneself from responsibility.

There are all kinds of people who self exclude, Addicts, Riggies, Problem Gamblers, People who want to get rid of the game.

It makes a lot if sense actually and those companies are required to do so because of law and licenses.

I was ur own decision to do so, now u have to live with the consequences (maybe change forum name to "I live with it" 😂)

👉Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

[I Live Poker]

There are all kinds of people who self exclude, Addicts, Riggies, Problem Gamblers, People who want to get rid of the game.

It makes a lot if sense actually and those companies are required to do so because of law and licenses.

I was ur own decision to do so, now u have to live with the consequences (maybe change forum name to "I live with it" 😂)

👉Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Or be a docile and obedient puppy and get plenty of food, but you will still be a sad, bitter and dependent dog.

 

[dorsk]

Radical actions have radical consequences. By the self exclusion you are red flagged by the KYC department at the poker sites. They see you as a potential compulsive gambler. It will probably be a tall order to be reinstated. If it happens it can take years. You reap what you sow.

 

[Station_Master]

Just wait till your exclusion period is over. Soynds like its only 5 months or so for PS and partypoker. In the meantime play on other sites you never previously had an account on

 

[I Live Poker]

Radical actions have radical consequences. By the self exclusion you are red flagged by the KYC department at the poker sites. They see you as a potential compulsive gambler. It will probably be a tall order to be reinstated. If it happens it can take years. You reap what you sow.

If that were the case, poker sites wouldn't even exist anymore, because they're extreme. Poker will be included in the list of extreme sports, you know?
These things don't work for me. My system is different. What's right is right even if no one does it, and what's wrong is wrong even if everyone does it.
If I reap what I sow, you can be sure that what's happening is just dust in the wind, just burning straw to light the live coal that lives inside me.
I'm still imagining the self-exclusion system for alcoholics. The addicts would go to the bar and ask them not to sell them any more alcohol.🤔
It's always like this, people want to help those who don't need help, and they don't help those who do.

 

[I Live Poker]

Just wait till your exclusion period is over. Soynds like its only 5 months or so for PS and Partypoker. In the meantime play on other sites you never previously had an account on

Yes! Thank you, that's what I'm going to do.
These are reflections to think about, nowadays everything is superficial, and we live by appearances. The true intention and truth of things are what matters.
Only protocol and things that are useless, just to exempt oneself from guilt, when in fact they don't protect or help anyone in any way.

And besides, it's actually good that I play on fewer sites and get involved with newer, more promising sites that are trying to do the right thing.
There's also the issue of the difference in RNG between sites, which ends up hindering the reading of patterns and progress as a player. When you only play in one room and get used to its RNG, you seem to predict the cards, which is why many people become loyal to a specific site, and when they try to change sites, nothing works. An excellent loyalty strategy.

 

[TeUnit]

You said it was a problem by self excluding, and they believed you.

If it wasnt a problem you shouldnt say it is.

 

[I Live Poker]

Now imagine if all addicts were removed from poker, no professional would be able to play anymore.🤣
I forgot, poker is not a job, there are no poker professionals, only marketing professionals.

 

[dorsk]

Okay, don't get offended right now, I shouldn't be comparing these two things...

People with children, how much money do you spend on them per month - same question for people with animals?

Ont. I don't have children, although I think I spend more on my dogs than the average citizen spends on his child...

If that were the case, poker sites wouldn't even exist anymore, because they're extreme. Poker will be included in the list of extreme sports, you know?
These things don't work for me. My system is different. What's right is right even if no one does it, and what's wrong is wrong even if everyone does it.
If I reap what I sow, you can be sure that what's happening is just dust in the wind, just burning straw to light the live coal that lives inside me.
I'm still imagining the self-exclusion system for alcoholics. The addicts would go to the bar and ask them not to sell them any more alcohol.🤔
It's always like this, people want to help those who don't need help, and they don't help those who do.

. Of course poker sites would exist. The extreme part is your self exclusion. About 2% do self exclusion. 98% of these 2% are addictive compulsive gamblers. I hope that you don’t lie to yourself brother.

 

[I Live Poker]

You said it was a problem by self excluding, and they believed you.

If it wasnt a problem you shouldnt say it is.

I didn't say anything, most of them, I was just angry and didn't want to see poker in front of me, so in a moment of impulsiveness I went there and saw that there was an option to leave, so I didn't even read the terms and conditions, I just deleted it.

If I had just said it, I say now I want to reopen 888 and WPT, that's it. Why is the reverse movement so difficult? If this self-exclusion is useless and doesn't even protect addicts?

But I know how things work, you have to be obedient, take it in the ass, realize the flaws and problems that many sites continue to fail to solve, and then wag your tail at them.

Man, most people are terrible, vindictive and, worst of all, they take revenge on their victims...

 

[dorsk]

Now imagine if all addicts were removed from poker, no professional would be able to play anymore.🤣
I forgot, poker is not a job, there are no poker professionals, only marketing professionals.

I hope this is a joke. Otherwise you probably should seek help. Delusions can be helped by a shrink.

 

[I Live Poker]

I hope this is a joke. Otherwise you probably should seek help. Delusions can be helped by a shrink.

Oops, I think you've run out of rational arguments based on the subject at hand. Personal attacks are proof that you have no arguments, not even common sense and education to defend your point of view. But I'm grateful for the thorns, the flower needs them to maintain its beauty.
Or maybe your understanding is a bit limited for non-mathematical subjects.

 

[dorsk]

Oops, I think you've run out of rational arguments based on the subject at hand. Personal attacks are proof that you have no arguments, not even common sense and education to defend your point of view. But I'm grateful for the thorns, the flower needs them to maintain its beauty.
Or maybe your understanding is a bit limited for non-mathematical subjects.

Personal attack? Nope 👎
Your answer is borderline silly. That’s OK.
Let’s stick to the facts. You have made a self exclusion and have regrets. Fair enough. Did you bleed cash 💰 before you cancelled yourself? What bothers me is that you admit to have used phoney names and multiple accounts. I’m sorry to bring you the bad news: This means a lifetime’s ban at any site you’ve done this. I hope you didn’t do this at every site. Cheer up brother. I’m rooting for you. I see no bad intentions from your side. It could be a good idea to contact KYC ( Know your customers) at i.e. PokerStars. They’re very serious guys. There’s still hope.

 

[I Live Poker]

Personal attack? Nope 👎
Your answer is borderline silly. That’s OK.
Let’s stick to the facts. You have made a self exclusion and have regrets. Fair enough. Did you bleed cash 💰 before you cancelled yourself? What bothers me is that you admit to have used phoney names and multiple accounts. I’m sorry to bring you the bad news: This means a lifetime’s ban at any site you’ve done this. I hope you didn’t do this at every site. Cheer up brother. I’m rooting for you. I see no bad intentions from your side. It could be a good idea to contact KYC ( Know your customers) at i.e. PokerStars. They’re very serious guys. There’s still hope.

Dude, you didn't even read the post. What are you talking about? I've never had multiple fake names on multiple accounts. And I've never cheated. I've also never lost money or lost accounts because of it, because I've never done it. And I'm the one who needs help from a psychiatrist. Don't bother me, man, go bark somewhere else. Get out of here, you rabid dog. Find another idiot to vent your negativity.