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Message: [QUOTE="MrPokerVerse, post: 6994922, member: 63658"] Not sure you can draw that distinction between the two contrast of player categories from playing a few hands. From these forum or league games that becomes more identifiable. Skill level becomes more apparent with them from many aspects of the game. Playing in a poker league for many years, history with players was a key to developing that skill you mentioned. Knew when to bluff, get maximum value and keep them in the hand. For every player that good to great is undefined by encounters and outcomes. It easy to look at ROI for that definition to have validity, other wise it just perception. [/QUOTE]