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Message: [QUOTE="VictorOd, post: 7188290, member: 207207"] Hello! Since I don't have a personal real casino experience, this idea comes to mind. Obviously such detailing and structuring would be impossible without using several generated pretrained transformers... what a time to be alive! So I like and rewatched the 2008 movie "21" starring Jim Sturgess, Kate Bosworth, Kevin Spacey, and it got me thinking about the real MIT Blackjack Team story behind it. Let's break down exactly how their card counting system worked, what the movie portrayed accurately, and where Hollywood took some creative liberties. [B]The Real MIT Blackjack Team Story[/B] First, let's set the record straight: the MIT Blackjack Team was absolutely real and operated successfully from 1979 through the early 2000s. The team, led by Bill Kaplan, J.P. Massar, and later John Chang, won millions of dollars from casinos worldwide using sophisticated card counting techniques and team play strategies. The movie is based on Ben Mezrich's book "Bringing Down the House" (published in 2003), though the main character Ben Campbell is a composite based primarily on Jeff Ma (originally called Kevin Lewis in the book). Jeff Ma was an MIT mechanical engineering graduate who joined the team in 1993 and became one of their most successful players. [B]The Hi-Lo Card Counting System Explained[/B] The core technique used by both the movie characters and real MIT team was the [B]Hi-Lo counting system[/B]. Here's how it works: [B]Card Values:[/B] [LIST] [*][B]Cards 2-6: +1[/B] (Low cards favor the house when removed) [*][B]Cards 7-9: 0[/B] (Neutral cards) [*][B]Cards 10, J, Q, K, Ace: -1[/B] (High cards favor the player when removed) [/LIST] [B]The Process:[/B] [LIST=1] [*]Start with a [B]running count of 0[/B] [*]As cards are dealt, add or subtract based on the values above [*]Convert to a [B]"true count"[/B] by dividing the running count by estimated decks remaining [*]Bet more when the true count is high (deck rich in 10s and Aces) [*]Bet minimum when the count is low or negative [/LIST] [B]Example from the movie:[/B] If you see cards 3, 5, Q, 8, Ace, your running count would be: +1 (3) +1 (5) -1 (Q) 0 (8) -1 (Ace) = 0 [B]Team Play Strategy: The Real Innovation[/B] What made the MIT team revolutionary wasn't just card counting – it was their sophisticated [B]team play system[/B]: [B]The Roles: 1. Spotters/Counters:[/B] [LIST] [*]Sat at tables making minimum bets [*]Kept accurate running counts [*]Signaled when tables became favorable [*]Never varied their betting patterns to avoid detection [/LIST] [B]2. Big Players (BPs):[/B] [LIST] [*]Appeared to be casual high-rollers [*]Only joined tables when signaled by spotters [*]Made large bets during favorable counts [*]Left when counts turned negative [/LIST] [B]3. Controllers (sometimes used):[/B] [LIST] [*]Double-checked spotter counts [*]Provided an additional layer of verification [/LIST] [B]Communication Signals: Movie vs. Reality[/B] The movie shows various hand signals and code words. According to the real team members: [B]Confirmed Real Signals:[/B] [LIST] [*][B]Touching/scratching the nose:[/B] Meant "I understand" or acknowledgment [*][B]Arms behind back:[/B] Signal for big player to approach the table [*][B]Specific positioning:[/B] Different body language indicated count levels [/LIST] [B]Code Words Used:[/B] The team used various coded language to communicate count information without detection. In the movie and book, examples included: [LIST] [*]Magazine names corresponding to counts (+17 = "Seventeen" magazine) [*]Age references (+18 = voting age) [*]Seemingly casual conversation that actually conveyed mathematical information [/LIST] [B]However,[/B] professional advantage play expert notes that "a good team would change its signals and code words from time to time" – something not emphasized enough in the movie. [B]What the Movie Got Right[/B] According to poker professional Darren Elias, who reviewed the movie's accuracy, he gave it a [B]9 out of 10 for realism[/B]: [LIST] [*][B]Accurate card counting fundamentals[/B] [*][B]Realistic team communication methods[/B] [*][B]Proper Hi-Lo system implementation[/B] [*][B]Casino countermeasures and security response[/B] [*][B]The psychological pressure and lifestyle changes[/B] [/LIST] [B]Where Hollywood Took Liberties:[/B] [LIST] [*][B]Compressed timeline:[/B] The real operations spanned decades, not months [*][B]Character composites:[/B] Most characters represent multiple real people [*][B]Simplified training:[/B] Real training was much more rigorous and intensive [*][B]Costumes:[/B] The movie's costumes were more elaborate than reality [*][B]Dramatic confrontations:[/B] Real casino detections were usually much less dramatic [/LIST] [B]The Mathematics Behind Success[/B] The team's edge came from several factors: [LIST=1] [*][B]Perfect basic strategy execution[/B] [*][B]Accurate card counting[/B] (Hi-Lo system provides ~1% edge when executed perfectly) [*][B]Proper bankroll management[/B] [*][B]Team coordination[/B] to maximize betting opportunities [*][B]Rigorous practice and testing[/B] [/LIST] The team practiced extensively, including simulated casino environments with distractions, mistakes modeling, and constant testing before every trip. [B]Why It Eventually Ended[/B] Several factors led to the team's decline: [LIST] [*][B]Advanced casino surveillance technology[/B] [*][B]Facial recognition systems[/B] [*][B]Griffin Investigations database[/B] sharing player information between casinos [*][B]Team growth making operations harder to coordinate[/B] [*][B]Key leaders moving on to other ventures[/B] [/LIST] [B]Modern Implications[/B] Today, the techniques shown in "21" are much harder to execute due to: [LIST] [*][B]Continuous shuffle machines[/B] [*][B]Advanced surveillance[/B] [*][B]6:5 blackjack payouts[/B] (instead of 3:2) [*][B]Multiple deck games[/B] with poor penetration [*][B]Facial recognition databases[/B] [/LIST] However, the mathematical principles remain sound, and advantage play continues to evolve. Discussion Questions: [B]CardsChat community, have you seen this movie? Did you like it or not? Do you think advantage play like this is ethical?[/B] Or is it just smart application of mathematics? [B]What other advantage play techniques[/B] interest you beyond card counting? The MIT Blackjack Team's story remains one of the most fascinating examples of applied mathematics defeating the house edge. While the movie takes some dramatic liberties, it captures the essential elements of how a group of brilliant students used teamwork, discipline, and mathematical precision to win on someone else's turf. [B]What are your thoughts on the movie versus the reality? Any experiences with card counting or advantage play you'd like to share? Let's discuss! Drop your thoughts and experiences below! [/B] [/QUOTE]

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