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Message: [QUOTE="canbora, post: 6902676, member: 9538"] Right and as you can imagine, two neighboring stakes are going to be similar. 2 and 4 will have more in common than 2 and 10, as you can imagine. And also, the those are the two lowest stakes you can play. So they are going to have the "worst" play. Even if better players going in there, becuase its not worth anything they'll just do wild stuff just to screw around. I watched a Brad Owen clip on youtube where he played against Phil ivey at $500 table because they were mixng up pros with regular folks and phil ivey didnt seem like he even gave a flip. He re raised brad all in with Jacks. Premium hand, not wrong........buuuut, phil is the master of big lay downs. Do you think he'd do that at his normal stakes...whatever in the world they may be? NL1million? lol Exactly. There are a lot of people out there with good salaries. To them, why would they sit down at a 2NL? And combing you both together here. ... again, I would NEVER tell someone where they should and shouldnt play. Thats up to you! And as we just said, money is relative. Howver, mixing all of humanity together and coming up with a suppper basic average. its my opinion............again, ,my opinion........... what a person should do, is start out a bit higher up. I wouldn't even mess with NL2 , NL5. Absolutely minimum NL10. Like....what is 10 bucks? You don't even need to be bankrolling yourself at this point. Just deposit money as you need it. If you win, keep going. Now, sit down money is a different story. You should always have at minimum of two full buy ins of sit down money. Don't play cash games short stacked. Unless you're doing a short stack stratgey on purpose. Not advised but it can work, I've done it. But what the main point is, say you're doing a 40bb/50bb short stack stratgey. You go in with that as your plan and you keep yourself topped off at 40bb. The main thing is, don't let yourself get dwindled down to 25 or something. At this point what you're doing really isnt making much sense (in most cases) and what are you hoping to accomplish? You're just all over the place. But again, regardless...sit down with a few buy ins. But back to it... really. I'd be starting off at 25Nl to 50NL. I FULLY get if thats too much money to lose. I 1000% get it. But the reason I say this ... is say you wanted to start playing in a casino. You're not going to find anything less than NL200. Most of the time its NL300 or 400. Do you have 10 grand in your roll to do this? Does the majority of people playing these tables.? Ill bet overwhelming majority do not. And also NL25 and NL50 (online) have the most action so you're more to find a better game. And believe me, they people there arn't that great. In my opinion they aren't. 4 out of 6 people are TAGs. TAGs are predictable. if you're predictable, you're not so great. I've made some MAJOR bluffs against some tags at both NL50 and NL100 because they were playing obvious ABC poker. But yeah, Id save a few paychecks, sell soemthing around the house you dont need on ebay...whatever. Roll yourself for NL25 and go to town. Again, if thats too much, then fine, NL10. But I wouldnt go any lower. And I would be "punching up" to 25 and 50 every now and then to dabble in the waters. Sit down at the NL25 table with a half stack. Thats 12 bucks. you can do that. Thats doable. *also (changing subject) By the numbers, people at cash games are "better" than tourney players. More people gravitate to cash poker, Meaning, even the people are Nl10, aren't bad. As in, not as bad as the play at a $10 MTT buy in. Not even close. There is some serious boneheadery at a $10 buy in MTT. And by better I mean most people are TAGs and nits. Those are the two most common players. I think they think they're "good" and playing "proper" but and maybe they are according to math/computer/solver. But its not "poker". Because GTO also knows you're not suppose to fold more than..what is it? 40% of hands? so.. how can both things be? Well.. use your head. Cards dont have to be suited. Suited is better FOR SURE, but really its only a few percent. KJ is still KJ. Suited KJ is just a little better. Thats why a lot of times a solver will have you fold A3 suited to certain bets, becuase its just A3 still. Its a semi rag. If you're playing 3 handed and you're on the button with 9 10 offsuit, thats a raise my friend. I dont care what the solver says. Like I said, I could go on all day with this stuff as you can see. I've made many observations and I remember a great deal of them trying to better my own play. I hope I'm getting there. lol. one day......one day. [/QUOTE]

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