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Message: [QUOTE="Dorkus Malorkus, post: 347448, member: 6020"] That's a pretty strange hand. On one hand the 8d is a very strange card to bluff at, on the other hand that sort of flop is not the sort of flop you want to slowplay. That said he's only betting 1/3 pot, which you can either interpret as weakness or trying to induce a raise from the person who bet out on the flop (you). I think you're probably behind here and the 8 has helped him - I see BB most likely holding an A8/88 which he's underbet horribly, in which case you have a draw to any heart barring 8h, any 9 if he has A8, or any K barring Kh (again if he has A8) for a split. Barring A8/88, I happily slap him on a huge range of hands, from absolutely nothing to any two other hearts to 66 (assuming this is a low buyin game and the player is poor - I'm assuming this because this weird play suggests he is). Assuming relatively deep stacks I call here and fold to a big (>3/4pot) river bet unless I hit a heart or an A on the river. If he 'bluffs' on the turn like this often, a reraise is fine, a push if you don't have a big stack. If he does have the goods, well you have outs. Basically in situations like this: - Assess the pot odds and implied odds you're getting (pot odds are good in the above example, implied odds are poor as any heart or A will probably be a scare card to him) - Assess the chances you're ahead at the moment (possible but not likely in the above). - Assess how many total outs you have (9 hearts, 2 aces, 2 other sixes, 2 other kings, 2 other 8s, 2 other 9s in the above - 19 total), and how many of these are likely to be good (8 hearts, possibly 9 (the 8h is questionable) and possibly 2 aces - 7-11 total). - Assess what you will do if villain (a) bets big (usually fold), (b) bets small (usually call), and (c) checks (usually check) the river if you call now and don't hit a good out. I say "usually" because you could have certain reads that make straying from the "usuals" a good idea. [/QUOTE]

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