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Station_Master
Legend
Platinum Level
I tend not to play zoom, but when I do I use the same ranges. In theory it's the same so just use standard GTO opening ranges. Of course if you want to play looser or tighter it's hard for your opponents to really pick up on this. I think many regs are just waiting for the nuts on zoom
Poker Orifice
And Still...
Platinum Level
I think this is a common misperception for players who don't play on Z00M. I believe it is looser and much more aggressive.
Aballinamion
Dark Lord of the Sith
Bronze Level
Ranges will differ depending how much you know about your opponents. Most of times are unknown players, but if you constantly play Zoom you will notice fishes, then you can adapt your range.
Others have said and I partially agree with both of them: regulars are not always waiting for the nuts, some of the regulars do this and also some of the fishes: and this is how we exploit them because they will not hit the nuts so often, so we have more room for bluffing.
And yes, a major part of the regulars noticed this peculiarity and adapted to it, playing way more aggressive than we expect.
Canaldo Kao
Visionary
Bronze Level
I love playing Zoom, but I also have a good regularity at the regular tables!
Sunz of Beaches
Whot a Donk
Platinum Level
Having studdied zoom a bit over the years i recommend u to play normal tables.
A zoom player with a high winrate is stealing and restealing a lot because people IN GENERAL are tighter in zoom games because they can just move on to the next hand. On higher zoom limits u will see a lot of blind resteals to button/cutoff opens and also 4 bet resteals. The top regs there will put endless pressure on others and they are not afraid to put their whole stack at risk. Plus they all play with a tracker. If u play zoom without a tracker u are on a big disadvantage, u basically play blind games against the ones with tracker.
At lower limits u can play a normal tag style and win some moderate bb's/hour. Players there are more tight and scared. (But its just...boring imo. because poker has also to do with gameflow, history and people who loose their patience and start to tilt. At zoom this all plays out very differently).
I personally have no idea how people can enjoy playing 4 tables micros zoom for hours and hours. Me i did not and nowadays the only zoom i play is when i get a welcome back bonus on chico lol.
A zoom player with a high winrate is stealing and restealing a lot because people IN GENERAL are tighter in zoom games because they can just move on to the next hand. On higher zoom limits u will see a lot of blind resteals to button/cutoff opens and also 4 bet resteals. The top regs there will put endless pressure on others and they are not afraid to put their whole stack at risk. Plus they all play with a tracker. If u play zoom without a tracker u are on a big disadvantage, u basically play blind games against the ones with tracker.
At lower limits u can play a normal tag style and win some moderate bb's/hour. Players there are more tight and scared. (But its just...boring imo. because poker has also to do with gameflow, history and people who loose their patience and start to tilt. At zoom this all plays out very differently).
I personally have no idea how people can enjoy playing 4 tables micros zoom for hours and hours. Me i did not and nowadays the only zoom i play is when i get a welcome back bonus on chico lol.
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Aballinamion
Dark Lord of the Sith
Bronze Level
Nope. Nothing wrong mate. I’m playing Zoom now, maybe one thing or another had changed.
Sunz of Beaches
Whot a Donk
Platinum Level
Ok so what exactly?
Aballinamion
Dark Lord of the Sith
Bronze Level
I’m not sure if most of players use a tracker, for the amount of mistakes they make preflop and postflop is preposterous: one top thing I’m observing is overbet. They raise versus limper to 5x, 7x, 10x, they 3-bet to 4x, 5x, 4-bet to 3x... this isn’t stealing or re-stealing, this is screaming value.
They 3-bet and you call, comes a dry flop and they bet 70-100% pot...
Yes, for beginners I would recommend regular tables but nothing wrong with Zoom.
Players are too much tight, which means our winrate will come from stealing blinds when SB x BB, or blinds 3-betting light versus BU and CO.
We are actually opening much more from EP, because players respect more raises coming from this position. No, I don’t think that there are too much regulars using trackers at NLHE 2.
There are tons of adventurers, broken stacked, recreational and curious players on Zoom.
We can easily open hands like 32s from UTG or 84o from BU having no further worries.
When we are in the blinds we can easily 3-bet having 76s, for example, and most of times they will fold.
When it comes in fold to the SB, we can open raise 99% of our range safely. They are way too tight, but they are passive, fit & fold style.
Players on Zoom are faced-up and straightforward when they use bet sizing: they tell the whole story by the sizing they elect to use.
Sunz of Beaches
Whot a Donk
Platinum Level
I was not talking about zoom nl2 when i said the good regs are all using a tracker. My contribution was mainly not about the lowest zoom level. Hands oberved with very good, loose aggressive regs were mostly nl500. I played on different levels on fulltilt and later stars mostly micros untill i decided to not play zoom anymore
Obv at Nl2 everyone has tons of leaks and in general the play is weak tight. What did u expect?
I dont play NL2 anymore. and if i would then definitely not in a nitty game like zoom to steal a few cents/hour.
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S
Station_Master
Legend
Platinum Level
Are they really any weaker than the regular 2NL tables though? Is your win rate any higher on zoom than regular, I'd be surprised if it is over a meaningful sample. I tend to agree with others that zoom is generally tougher than reg tables of the same stake.
Aballinamion
Dark Lord of the Sith
Bronze Level
Sorry @Suns of Beaches I wasn’t mocking your comment but my own inability to beat these stakes as I wished. I’m having a real hard time to get out of a lower winrate playing NLHE 2 Zoom.
My winrate is coming from rakeback and it’s not more than 12/100 BB hour, which I believe is weaker than the average regulars of the field.
For what is worth, I’m being the actual fish now. 😂
Played 5 K hands at most, anyway, I’m returning and warming up.
Thanks for your patience and attention.
My winrate is coming from rakeback and it’s not more than 12/100 BB hour, which I believe is weaker than the average regulars of the field.
For what is worth, I’m being the actual fish now. 😂
Played 5 K hands at most, anyway, I’m returning and warming up.
Thanks for your patience and attention.
Sunz of Beaches
Whot a Donk
Platinum Level
Everything ok. I already answered ur pm.
Im not really an expert when it comes to cash games but 12bb/100 would be huge, u would crush these games.
Did u mean 1-2bb/100?
5k hands i think is not too much. Buddy of mine who is a winning reg on zoom nl25/nl50 just had a 25k hands breakeven stretch.
Aballinamion
Dark Lord of the Sith
Bronze Level
No
Not sure, calculating this by memory. I started with some amount and after 5 K hands I’m nearly 2 buy-ins down, however I’m not including the rakeback.
S
Station_Master
Legend
Platinum Level
Hi mate, I would suggest going back to regular tables and then once you are comfortable with your win rate and bankroll move up to 5NL. It will be slower to move up playing zoom as the games are tougher