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Message: [QUOTE="Aballinamion, post: 6712551, member: 289533"] Thanks for your reply and for being active once again. In my humble opinion GTO and Exploitative Game complete one another: we derive from Exploitative to GTO and vice-versa. I would like to quote an organic example: a few years ago I analyzed a hand where one student of this thread was playing NLHE 100. I will resume the hand: $100 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: [URL='http://www.pokertracker.com/']http://www.pokertracker.com[/URL] SB: 208.5 BB Hero (BB): 126 BB UTG: 91 BB MP: 111.4 BB CO: 125.9 BB BTN: 55.6 BB SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Tc Td fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, MP calls 10 BB, fold, BTN calls 10 BB Flop : (34.5 BB, 3 players) 3c 4h 2s Hero bets 23 BB, MP calls 23 BB, fold Turn : (80.5 BB, 2 players) Kc Hero bets 80.5 BB, MP calls 77.4 BB and is all-in 64 vpip whale. analysis? didn't want to play 3strts [B][U]Analysis: [/U][/B] I see this hand from a GTO perspective: okay, it’s fine to derive from GTO because there are several limpers behind. However, do we need to raise to 10x? In my opinion 6x or 7x at max would have the job done. The flops comes very coordinated and we elect to bet 2/3 pot expecting to get calls of missed aces. But limpers will have better hands than us quite often (22, 33, 44, 43s, 42s, 32s, 56s, A5s), hands that we own no removal. Okay that recreational players don’t think that much, but they know how to fold and what’s a value hand: betting that much preflop and flop we aren’t allowing villain to play close to perfection? OTT we have no idea what villain called about and we jam. We assume villain is a recreational but we also assume that one way or the other players have a little notion of sizing: complete losing hands would fold to a 10x raise preflop and hands with some playability will call: AJ+, K2s-AK, all pocket pairs (we don’t know if villain has a trap or not). Hero describes villain as a 64 VPIP “whale”. First, I think it’s unethical to call players like this or that using pejorative words. Weak player, recreational should suffice. 64 VPIP might be a tricky data. For how much hands played we had obtained this HUD stats? Why not other stats included? Hero says he didn’t want to play 3 streets, and haven’t put showdown results. Are we betting for value and for bluff or we are betting because we are not in the mood for playing 3 streets? When we jam turn, do we believe we own the winning hand? [B]GTO Perspective:[/B] [I]how would I have played this:[/I] Preflop I would raise to 6x. Flop I would go for 1/2 pot or a bit less, since the pot is too way bigger than normal and there are great chances of getting called by best hands. OTT I would’ve checked because now I have no idea what villain has called OTF. River I would’ve bet 1/2 pot if villain checks behind and it doesn’t complete a flush or another liner for a straight, and check in the case villain had bet OTT a fair price giving me odds. What do you think of this hand? What do you think on how hero played and how I would played it. Thanks in advance. [/QUOTE]

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