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Message: [QUOTE="tenbob, post: 347171, member: 3651"] I dont know if any of you guys have ever played darts. Learning the finishing throws initally is very difficult, then one day your have to finish on 45 and you throw 13 double 16 without even thinking about it !!! The odds in poker are very similar, eventually it will come nearly automatically to you (!!! still not at that stage but getting there !!) Practice practice and if you play enough you wont need any sort of chart, it will just come . [/QUOTE]