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Message: [QUOTE="ventrolloquist, post: 5750262, member: 387497"] He 3bet 4x my raise. As this was someone who I labelled as a reg (regardless of their skill level), at NL20 I put him on a mixed or polarized 3betting range that has a lot of speculative non-broadway hands, with a fairly large BB 3bet % to boot. Now the closest solver preflop chart I found is BU vs. SB at 40bb deep. At that stack depth, when SB 3 bets a standard size (not shove), BU is calling all middle and low pocket pairs at 100% frequency and reraising hands like 88 at about 15-30% frequency. (interestingly it's calling 88 more often than 66 and 77 which are more weighted towards shoving.) BB is probably 3betting half as much as SB at that stack depth, just as a rough extrapolation, the shallower we get the more BB is 3betting and the more it's shoving. And seeing as how 22 was a callable hand vs SB range, I'm sure 88 is playable vs a BB range. And I agree with Colin here that it's a shove because this hand is often close to a flip and that combined with fold equity is profitable. 88 has anywhere between 45% and 55% equity depending on the width of the BB's 3bet range Basing this on tournament ranges though, so it could be that rake drastically changes strategy. I assume rake would encourage wider 3 betting if anything which makes 88 even more playable. Please correct me if I'm wrong though and explain why, this is a really grey area for me. I'm not thinking exploitatively in this spot as much as you are because I'm just assuming a preflop reg by default. Can you explain why a BB 3bet is stronger than a shove in this situation? [/QUOTE]

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