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Message: [QUOTE="robwhufc, post: 388595, member: 4289"] Sorry JL, I didn't answer because I thought we were going round in circles, and this is such a non-event subject, but i'll try and clarify argument again. Firstly, once you've made the decision to go all-in, there are 2 ways to get your money in - up front (all-in), or behind (calling down). The end results the same - all of your chips are in, and all of his are in - whoever has the best hand wins. In this scenario, what could rvolk have? answer, anything! a) he may have total rags, and be trying to push you off the pot thinking you'll fold to sustained action (who's got the biggest balls?). You have to think this is unlikely, but if he's done it to you before? b) a smaller pair, and be trying to guage whether you really have got a pair of aces. V. risky play if he was, bearing in mind the flop and your re-raise. c) a pair of aces and weak kicker. May have, judged on his weak re-reraise, but that's a bad play from him. d) A monster hand - AA, QQ, 66. e) A flush / straight draw. Unlikely - why would he re-raise you and not see another card as cheaply as possible? f) A strong hand that he thinks is a winner (i.e AK or AQ) - the most likely holding in my opinion. He had the opportunity to check behind you, but he raised your raise. In my opinion he wants you to go all-in, and if you do, he'll click call in a nano-second (and groan if he's got AK). So what are the pros and cons of calling (with a view to attacking post turn) over pushing all-in. 1) If he's got a) he may try another stab (and you can then go over the top). 2) If he's got AQ and diamond flops, he may fold to all-in (unlikely i know but...). 3) If a K flops, you can then give serious consideration to folding (I wouldn't, but what cards could he still be betting with?). 4) You end up all-in, you win with 2 pair over his AK - he's thinking "why the hell didn't he go all-in with A6?". You know you were in reality all-in from the outset, but you've put doubts into an astute players mind. Disadvantages of calling (and giving free card) 5) He was chasing flush or straight and he hits (if he's stupid enough to play draw like that, he'll probably call all-in anyway). 6) He had Ace and weak kicker (10 down to 7), which he would have folded to all-in, but hits kicker on turn. All these are pretty unlikely, but it's weighing up 1,2,3 & 4 against 5 and 6. As I said, in reality it's pretty much a non-argument as you both end up with all your chips in - it's just a bit of "tweaking" really (and I would call myself knowing i was 99% sure to go all-in post turn). [/QUOTE]

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