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Message: [QUOTE="dbitel, post: 472843, member: 15503"] zeb, like tohers have said, this is NOT a WA/WB situation. We are NEVER way behind here (always have at least 35% equity) and vs clubs, we're not way ahead either, as they have 29% equity or w/e. I know you've now realised that pushing is best, but there was something you said that disturbed me, so I thought I'd correct you if thats ok: "Assume he has one club even: With the all in, the pot is 7.30 or so, and he only needs to put in 3.50 to call. he's getting 2:1 on his money, and his odds of hitting are around 35%, so he's getting odds to call just for the flush. in other words, any flush potential hand is going to call, and in the long run, be ahead of you." This is WRONG. Yes a flush draw should call (if you say so...i havent done the maths). HOWEVER, that doesn't mean he comes out ahead of us in the long run. Think intuatively how wrong that sounds/feels. He just put all his stack in on a flush draw and you think he comes out ahead? If your maths is right, sure he is making a +EV decision (so we'd rather him fold) but the point is, our decisions this hand have been WAY more +EV. So how can this happen you ask, that we BOTH can make +EV decisions (our push and his call of it). The answer is b/c there is already so much money in the pot (due to his bad play earlier in the hand). Let me give you an example to illistrate this point. Lets pretend our oppenet and us both have $100 stacks. he then raises to $99 preflop with pocket 2s. We look down at AA,. Whats our best move? Obviously to go all in! Whats his best move when it come to him? Its obviously to call his last $1 (pot odds dictate this). But look....his call of $1 is very very +EV and our push is also +EV. But you can clearly see that we always come out better in this situation. Hope this helped dbitel [/QUOTE]

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