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Message: [QUOTE="Bombjack, post: 451163, member: 11914"] It's true that some of my outs are on other people's boards already, but the question is whether there are more on the board than average. Out of the 11 cards I've seen from other people's boards, only 2 have been diamonds. So I'm actually more likely to see another diamond in my next 2 cards than if I had a flush draw on the flop in hold'em. Out of 35 unseen cards, 7 are diamonds and another 4 are non-diamond Aces or Sixes. Chances to hit on 6th or 7th are 1-(24/35 * 23/34) = 54%. (Same as odds to hit a flush/open ended straight draw on flop in Hold'em.) Capping it with 3 people in is BETTER than heads-up because I only need to win 33% of the time rather than 50% of the time to make a raise +EV. [/QUOTE]