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Message: [QUOTE="dbitel, post: 470873, member: 15503"] storm, OK. I'll try helping you out 1 last time, then I'm probably giving up. Implied odds: chances of hitting a flush 4:1 amount to call: $24 amount in pot: $59 if calling for flush odds alone, need to make: 4*24 = $96 there is already $59 in the pot, so need to make an extra $37 when we hit the flush and teh pot will be $83 big. I think we can manage that! So even if we are calling just for flush odds, the call is OK. Now moving on to your next points: "he puts us on the flush draw". No he doesn't. You only think that because you know our cards. Obviously he knows we can have a flush draw, but its just 1 of many hands we can have. You really saying you don't play any other hands this way? (HINT: if you dont, thats a huge leak) "How are you sure you are ahead without putting a single bet in the whole hand you have no clue where you stand in the hand." - I won't go into it fully now, maybe I'll write an article on it later, but "knowing where you are in a hand" isn't important in poker, at least not for 100BBs and is an extremely fishy way of thinking. All thats important is trying to gaughe your opponents rough range and bluffing frequnecies. This doesnt cost us any $$$ and actually serves us much better than betting and raising for information. "You act like you are playing this sooo sneaky" - I'm doing nothing of teh sort, I'm playing the hand very very standardly "your hand isnt a made hand its a drawing hand" - wrong. it is both a made hand and a drawing hand. we're certainly not behind 100% of the time here "I just realized something in your 1st post you said we are going to call and fold if we dont hit our draw. then 2nd post you say we are calling because we think we have best hand. so which is it? you cant fold and call at same time, if you could that would be pretty cool." Obviously you didnt understand what i said about his 1/2/3 barrelling frequencies...and thats cool...i didnt expect you to really understand. I'll try to give a quick explination. people bluff a lot when checked to on the flop. Lets say, that they will bluff with air 90%+ when checked to on the flop. On the turn, it will be less, as we have repped a stronger hand no. So they will maybe bluff like 50% of the time. After we call again, we're repping an EVEN stronger hand. So on teh river, he'll bluff even less...like 10% of the time. So now thats 40% of his bluffs he gives up with on the river and just checks....so all those times, even when we are not hitting the flush, we win the whole pot. So yes, I'll fold teh river if he bets, but that doesn't mean I cant call on teh turn b/c i think i have the best hand [/QUOTE]

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