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Message: [QUOTE="BetterThanAvgButNotByMuch, post: 7152474, member: 480921"] hi fun (enjoy your posts,) all i will do here is point the OP to topics such as position, pot control, coordinated boards etc so they can research and work on those and form their opinion of how to deal with the situation. so the best answer i can give is work on their game so theyre aware of the situation preflop. this situation isnt as common as how you would play qq with overs but ppl tend to remember these types of hands more often because they're for whole buyins so i would advise them to be aware of these spots and have a gameplan before entering the pot and if possible, avoid playing those tough spots by blindly doing something so the game is easier, way easier. thats what i was trying to allude to in my post. the way i see the situatiion as played is you win a buyin or lose a buyin or even worst, you pump the pot not knowing where you are and lol fold to pressure while leaving a nice chunk of your stack on the table lol . or you can see coordinated board, out of position, say, lets relax, try to take it easy and get to showdown and wait for the next spot where you're in position and its not a coordinated board or name your favorable detail to where the OP is more confident in what to do. and thats another issue with this hand. the op played the hand so they're unsure and not confident in their actions and is second guessing themselves where if they planned the hand out preflop would know exactly how to handle every street and have an idea of how much they woukd willing to to risk waaaaay before getting to the flop, the poster could infer from their poker guru how to play it and i'd bet someone would say you're if you're pot committed you have to go with it or look at the outs and combos and youre an x amount fav, so go with it. And I could tell someone how i would play it but my goal was first and foremost to protect the buyins and put myself in spots where with my limited game knowledge could turn a profit and thats all that mattered and nothing else. as my game expanded with my confidence and a few other things then i would try the harder spots. And max deep against another deep stack (and again, something else to look at with this hand is the effective stack of the hand as itll play differently against someone that has like 1/3 of your stack vs playing another deepstack imo) but whatever, anyway, with that hand, I'm just looking for better spots to put a full buyin at risk. and my silly opinion or that of some guru that probably plays way higher doesn't matter because everybodys game knowledge is probably different than the op and if theyre not ready for that situation or if theyre not familiar with the setup then theyre going to be at the later streets wondering what they did wrong. they're going to have to find what works for them and not follow someone. if theyre just looking down at cards going off ignoring everything else while pumping streets blindly then . . lol as i tried to point out, theyre far away from getting to the next step of figuring out how to play the streets. theyve got to go back to preflop planning was my point so they know what to do on later streets! and like forrest would say, lolol thats all i have to say on that, lol. gl folks [/QUOTE]

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