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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6179184, member: 305911"] You potentially missed value on the river but more often than not, you did miss value on the river. The way the hand is played villain never has 77 since they would not raise on the flop with quads in my opinion praying that you have an overpair. I also think its unlikely they have 99 for the same reason just remove quads on the flop with a boat. The turn card I would hate in game since it gives any 9x the boat. Not sure how many 9xs villain has but Ive seen stranger things. I would call as you did since I think AA plays this hand differently than the betting pattern that has happen from pre to turn in this hand. The river then, thinking the above, gives us the effective nuts as I rule out 77 and 99. In this spot villain could still have 9x or 7x and also have hands like 1010 and a less likely JJ where they would raise the flop and bet the turn as they did. All those hands, I think could call a bet on the river with 7x and 9x calling the entire 113. 1010, JJ, QQ could fold and other hands the villain could have like some AK hands they were playing out of left field would also fold. That is why I say you potentially missed value but the way the hand is played it looks 1010, JJ, QQ with 1010 most likely to me which I think calls a small to medium sized bet on the river most of the time but at least some of the time. I will say for the record why not just lead out KK here? If they have a hand we hope they have they are never folding and could re raise us all in if we dont put them in to begin with. Any hand like 1010-QQ will check behind too often so we need at least to try to make them make a crying call. [/QUOTE]

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