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Message: [QUOTE="Jesus Lederer, post: 349437, member: 3283"] Dorkus is completely right. If you say that the 4 aces and 4 nines are available (thinking in the straight), you have to count 7 cards for your spade flush, because in the deck there aren´t an As just to make your straight and another As just to make your flush. There is just one As that helps both your straight and flush. The same applies to the 9s. Lets make it simple and count each out: 3s, 4s, 5s, 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s, 9c, 9h, 9d, Ks, As, Ac, Ah, Ad. That are 15 outs. In relation to the first question, i don´t know what "Real Outs" means. I think i have an idea of that, but not to say that you had 8 real outs. I think that "real outs" refers to count just the outs that help you winning the hand and not just improving your hand. If i didn´t explain it well, i´ll say two examples: 1) In your case tazztaz, you didn´t count the Qh, Qc, Qd, 10h, 10c and 10d, because you knew that they would help to improve your hand but not to win. It was obvious (unless you counted the runner boat, but it would be meaningless because it varies the percentage just like 1%). Your real outs were just the ones that made a straight or flush. 2)This is the most common example. Lets say you hold a open-ended straight draw and the flop shows two hearts. Your outs would be 8, but maybe you think an opponent is holding two hearts so another heart would make flush and he would beat your straight. So if you´re afraid of another heart, your "real outs" would be 6 (8 - 2 hearts). As i said before, i don´t know the real meaning of real outs. I tried to figure out what was its meaning by the clue that on your hand you had 8 real outs. I have two theories of what he calls "real outs": 1) He calls real outs to your total outs/2 (because maybe he calculated the percentage of hitting your hand by each street for separated). That would be stupid, because in an all in situation after the flop you have to count your percentage of hitting the hand in both turn and river. 2) He invented that term in order to make you doubt about your play and just bother you. Anyway your hand odds were 56%, so postflop you were the favourite to win the hand. And i have to say that if you were in tournament, probably it was a good call because you need to win some races if you want a good finish. [/QUOTE]

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