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Message: [QUOTE="ChuckTs, post: 430415, member: 467"] I have to disagree with you here on raising being a bad play. How else are you to know where you stand in a hand? Let's step back and look at how the situation is. You're at a .25/.50 table ([I]usually[/I] alot of donks and maniacs - TPTK NUTS OMG ALLIN), you've got top pair, medium kicker in a limped pot, and you have a very weak bet and call ahead of you. You have to raise. What if the bettor has 66 or 78? What if the caller has A9 or JT? You don't want to give either of them a free card to outdraw you, and in order to find out what anyone has, you have to raise. If you just call, you get no info. Now after you've raised, you get your info (all in). The player has announced with his bet that he has TPMK beat, and probably 1 pair beat too, so you should fold. Only with a raise did you get the info you needed to get rid of your hand, which you now know is probably beat. Not only do you need to raise for value, but you may, and probably do have the best hand, so raising could also serve as a value bet aswell. Now what if you cold-called, the turn brought a 2, and OP now bets 1.50 into you? Fold? Maybe call again? Raise now? You're completely in the dark, and OP could just be betting middle pair thinking that he's still ahead, and you might fold...then again he could be value betting 99, and you would have no idea. Wow...i went off there...:) anyways, my point is that IMO, you have to raise for info. This I agree with, but again, how are you to know this without raising? Would it be smarter to call down for say $5 total only to find that OP has 55 or 99 or some other hand that beats you, or raise for $2 now, and take the pot down, or fold to an over-the-top rereraise? [/QUOTE]

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