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Message: [QUOTE="c0rnBr34d, post: 5628992, member: 394557"] Thanks for your more concise reply. LOL, well played. This did have a lot of text. I thought it was important to include the thought process to follow the action but maybe I over did it a bit. From the OP: "[COLOR=#595F68][I]Only button V calls."[/I][/COLOR] I did not say V should fold those hands on the flop I said they should fold those hands [B]pre flop [/B]after we 3 bet to 105[B]. [/B]V could defend 88 here but I didn't think it was very likely. From OP: "[COLOR=#595F68][I]V should be folding A8, 88, and 44 here pre[/I][/COLOR]" I did describe the order of the hand. I gave all relevant Vs positions pre flop, Hero's position, and action. Not sure what is missing or confusing. Here is OP with all the fluff cut out but nothing added: "[COLOR=#595F68][I]opens $15 from [B]HJ[/B]. [B]CO[/B] calls. [B]BU[/B] flats. [B]SB[/B] flats. Hero A4hh in [B]BB[/B] 3 bet to $105'[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=#595F68][I]Flop (~$250 after rake): Ac8d4s[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=#595F68][I]We bet to $45. V clicks it back to $100. Hero 3 bet $300. V tanks then calls.[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=#595F68][I]Turn ($850): Ac8d4s 7c[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=#595F68][I]We jam $850. V makes the call.[/I][/COLOR]" Rationale is given in-line. We 3 bet flop specifically to set up a turn jam. It also looks fishy to be this aggressive when our range should mostly be one pair on this flop. I'll add here that If he's weak he's checking back turn. If he's strong we will have to x/r turn to put stacks in play rather than x/r flop. Bet sizes will likely be larger and our hand could look stronger. We are OOP so it is harder to realize equity or build a pot. We have to raise somewhere when we are this strong. Why not flop? Had I not made the mistake with the flop sizing this probably would not have been necessary and we could have just planned to go three streets. Also it's not a 4 bet. It's a 3 bet. Hero bets 45, V raises (2-bet) to 100. Hero 3 bets to 300. I agree we can play the turn as a bet / call. But there are some advantages to playing this hand fast this deep as we see by results. Also there could be bad runouts where we have to give up or x/c. Suits are listed, so a flush draw is opened on the turn as you can see. And I suspect this helped us get called by AQ+. [/QUOTE]

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