primrose
Visionary
Bronze Level
- Game
- Hold'em
- Game Format
- No Limit
- Stakes
- $2/$5
- Table Format
- Full (8-10 seats)
- Currency
- €
(This is another 5-5 hand, as always played in a casino.)
Here, the UTG+2 players limps (position before LJ) and the CO makes it 25. I'm in the BN with
.
Usually this is an easy fold. However, the CO (same villain from this hand) does this with so many hands that I legitimately don't think I'm behind his range (he'll play 86o if he's feeling like it). So if I'm not and I have position, it follows that a fold is incorrect. I consider 3betting but I don't love 3betting with weak broadways out of fear of being dominated when I get called. So I flat. UTG+2 calls. We're all reasonably deep stacked.
Flop comes (Pot=80). It checks to me. As I mentioned in the other thread, this kind "probably no one hit it" flop is a texture that CO loves to attack -- if I bet here, I have a feeling I'll get raised. And even though villain's range is wide, I don't want to see a raise with Q high. I check.
Turn comes (Pot=80). UTG+2 donks 15 and CO raises to 50. Even though the Jc changes the texture, the UTG+2 bet is super weak, and I know CO knows it's super weak, so I don't believe this raise at all. If I still had nothing I would still fold, but I have an OESD now, which seems too strong against what I suspect is nothing. I debate 3betting or flatting. This is a pretty difficult choice imo. I decide to flat with the intention of putting in a chunky bet on most Rivers, maybe 80% Pot, assuming I don't hit. I'm ready to raise on the River as well, if CO bets again. UTG+2 folds, confirming that he was weak.
River comes (Pot=195). CO checks. I was going to bluff, but now I'm not because I think I'm probably ahead with the T -- but my hand is marginal so value betting makes no sense, either (it's not like a weak range means he can't have a J). So I check, expecting to probably win the Pot. I would have probably called a pretty big bet with this hand as well.
Alright let's see what garbage hand Villain was goofing off with. Reveal:
Here, the UTG+2 players limps (position before LJ) and the CO makes it 25. I'm in the BN with
.Usually this is an easy fold. However, the CO (same villain from this hand) does this with so many hands that I legitimately don't think I'm behind his range (he'll play 86o if he's feeling like it). So if I'm not and I have position, it follows that a fold is incorrect. I consider 3betting but I don't love 3betting with weak broadways out of fear of being dominated when I get called. So I flat. UTG+2 calls. We're all reasonably deep stacked.
Flop comes
(Pot=80). It checks to me. As I mentioned in the other thread, this kind "probably no one hit it" flop is a texture that CO loves to attack -- if I bet here, I have a feeling I'll get raised. And even though villain's range is wide, I don't want to see a raise with Q high. I check.Turn comes
(Pot=80). UTG+2 donks 15 and CO raises to 50. Even though the Jc changes the texture, the UTG+2 bet is super weak, and I know CO knows it's super weak, so I don't believe this raise at all. If I still had nothing I would still fold, but I have an OESD now, which seems too strong against what I suspect is nothing. I debate 3betting or flatting. This is a pretty difficult choice imo. I decide to flat with the intention of putting in a chunky bet on most Rivers, maybe 80% Pot, assuming I don't hit. I'm ready to raise on the River as well, if CO bets again. UTG+2 folds, confirming that he was weak.River comes
(Pot=195). CO checks. I was going to bluff, but now I'm not because I think I'm probably ahead with the T -- but my hand is marginal so value betting makes no sense, either (it's not like a weak range means he can't have a J). So I check, expecting to probably win the Pot. I would have probably called a pretty big bet with this hand as well.Alright let's see what garbage hand Villain was goofing off with. Reveal:
Villain shows which was obviously not at all what I was expecting. I guess this is a good reminder not to get stuck in your own narrative, and also that, if a range is wide, that doesn't mean the premiums are excluded. Even an absolute maniac who raises 50% of hands preflop will still play Aces. And the reverse also holds (i.e., the reveal doesn't prove his range wasn't really wide).
Idk, this was just a very strange hand where all of my assumptions were completely wrong, so I thought it was interesting enough to share. The way villain played this was also strange but that part doesn't surprise me so much; this is a player who almost bets more often when he doesn't have it.
which was obviously not at all what I was expecting. I guess this is a good reminder not to get stuck in your own narrative, and also that, if a range is wide, that doesn't mean the premiums are excluded. Even an absolute maniac who raises 50% of hands preflop will still play Aces. And the reverse also holds (i.e., the reveal doesn't prove his range wasn't really wide).Idk, this was just a very strange hand where all of my assumptions were completely wrong, so I thought it was interesting enough to share. The way villain played this was also strange but that part doesn't surprise me so much; this is a player who almost bets more often when he doesn't have it.
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