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Message: [QUOTE="Aballinamion, post: 5567247, member: 289533"] Hi dear mate, allow me to make some addendum to my overall analysis: If we have no combos of clubs in situation like this, where we 3-bet light BB x BTN, I am great fan of check-folding or check-calling to evaluate river, as other have said. We have quite a few hands that could be doing it, and I guess it is fine if we do it when we got the King of Clubs and/or the Ace of Clubs as blockers, so if Villain doesn't hold the Ace of Clubs on its rank, we can represent on this river all the nut flushes, all the full-houses and some AcAx that could be doing the same of KcKx. Summarizing when we are holding the combos of KhKs KhKd, , we don't play like that, we don't even c-bet the flop to start with. When we don't have the blocker of clubs I am great fan of following fundiver199's and Cornbread's lines. We choose our combos for bluffing very carefully and we play them the same way, no matter the result, so here we are representing as values only JJ, AcKc, AcAx, and maybe spaz AhAd, AsAd, etc, KcKx, and as bluffs missed AcXx. One more thing: if we do have a boat or a nut flush OTT, OF COURSE we are sizing it! Of course, if we know our opponent is either too fishy or to experient to be calling, because otherwise we are raising/betting when we hit bluffs/equity? This is why we do mix our strategy and sometimes we go by calling and sometimes we go by checking. I don't know, players seems too much scared of the flush, when BTN will not present a lot of them, and after all, only a few combos of 2x, 8x, nothing to be worried at all. I believe it because BTN didn't get the best price to be pursuing a flush and even if it had a medium-weak flush it should be folding to this river jamm because BB will have all the nut flushes and full-houses given the sequence line of the hand: 3-bet preflop, c-bet 1/2 pot Flop, c-bet 2/3 pot Turn, Jam River: we are only doing this line with the top of our range and with the top of our bluffs. BTN's line is very weak and players at 50 NLHE can be creative enough to be calling down this river with AJ or QQ, because they will enter into some leveling war and start to believe that given that BB make a small 3-bet, BB is stealing and trying to take the pot by brute force, so BTN increases its calling range a lot, given the possibility of BB to be bluffing very weird hands here, considering that even our 3-bet range of BB x BTN is not capped, but sometimes we can be 3-betting 18% range, very safely for stealing, specially at 50 NLHE, and I would not be scared at all if BTN displays some sticky QJ here, just because BB can have many bluffs in situations like this. Sorry, had to edit. Regards; Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa [/QUOTE]

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