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[QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 5898537, member: 305911"]
My 4 bet range is dependent on how much villain 3 bets (I know he is not the one who calls but that is what I am basing it on).  The more they 3 bet, the more they could fold but however in general I dont 4 bet bluff much since 3 bet bluffs are usually more rare than you think however you ran into one here in this hand.  I like betting on the flop not so much because I expect a fold on the flop but it may make getting a fold in the hand later on easier.  Easier for the villain to call 2 bets in the hand rather than 3 or 1 bet rather than 2.  Not arguing too much about it but I think you are discounting a little too much that villain could have an Ax hand.  You mention KK a lot with other big pairs being along with that KK but I think AQ and depending on opponent some might call with AJ suited type hands.  I say go bigger on the 4 bet sizing instead of using your "standard" sizing as 4 bets will be either for value or in this case a bluff.  You wont be 4 betting enough against one opponent to have to worry about balance.  When 4 betting you should be sizing it based on what you want to have happen and in this case it should be trying to get both villains to fold.

The replayer to use it attached above in the cash game analysis section under the threads that are sticky'd to the top.
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