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Message: [QUOTE="Aballinamion, post: 5522871, member: 289533"] [b]Why did you check turn?[/b] Hey Mcclares, thanks for sharing your hand. [B]Preflop[/B] At Full Ring tables I don't mind going for 4x preflop raise, because we are never lying, our range is always strong and we are almost always calling 3-bets or 4-betting. Since players love to call preflop, 4x reduces a little their odds. However 3.5x would do just fine for a Full Ring table. [B]Flop: [/B] It is a medium-good flop for our range and Villain seems a decent TAG, given these stats of 16/9/3, maybe BTN/Villain is calling a little more than it should, but you must seek to know the stat Call Open (How % often Villain calls preflop BTN x UTG?), for having a better picture of its range. It looks like tight. Now this is the kind of flop where I am not sure if we are c-betting entirely, with all of our Ax and Kx that might open from EP. Our pocket pairs are always c-betting here for value, but this is not a very scary flop and 1/2 pot will work as much as 2/3 pot. Which hands we want to extract value? Some 55, 66, 77, 88, 99, Ace highs +BD, Kings high+BD, 5x, 6x, 7x (maybe), it all will depend on how much this Villain goes C-bet flop and c-bet turn. Your c-bet flop is okay, but for the times Villain check-raises you here representing sets, two pair and maybe JJ+, it will be very hard for you to fold. And I guess you shouldn't yet, in the case this happens. Versus some kind of players I am not even c-betting this connected flop. Not because I am scary of Villain to have hit a set or two pair, but because I play my entire range the same way. Checking flop allow us to control pot, and we must always remember that is not so easy to play out of position as it seems. [B]Turn:[/B] I don't know why did you check to this brick 9 here, perhaps for pot control and Villain goes for a very large bet on the turn, 3/4 pot I guess. Here you must really ask yourself which bluffs BTN has now, given that it is in a little range disadvantage? Where a TAG player found that it is a good idea to be bluffing UTG in position, in a spot where you have not only TT, but JJ, QQ, KK and AA, and those hands are never folding here, not even under a hammer crash! So does TT, I believe it is a little bit wrong to be folding here, although Villain doesn't have many bluffs, no flush draws, the only straight draws that could be bluffing here are spaz Ax, 5x (or 55) and 6x (or 66)? We don't know how much does Villain call BTN x UTG, so it is hard to say if it has low suited connectors in its range or not. However, BTN's line of Bet vs Missed C-bet is very weak and many times exploitative. We must call. [B]River[/B] Given that BTN showed a lot of strength on the Turn, I see no point to be donk leading the turn, unless we are decided to go for stacks. Our hand has plenty of showdown value and if Villain bets again we can call depending on the sizing. Not that I am scared of anything right now, I just do not understand the logic of check-calling turn and leading river, turning our value hand into a bluff: we already have a very good pot size, why risk everything because we are greedy? There is still the chance of Villain to bluff some 9x? 7x? hard. If Villain completed a straight on the river it would almost never be checking behind. This bet vs missed c-bet turn, plus check-behind turn is a clear indication that Villain had more bluffs than values on its range.Ax, two pair and sets are betting versus UTG this river almost 100% of times to get paid for TT+ and to be breakeven in some spots versus AK, AQ. Both checking this river and betting are fine lines. Personally, versus TAg ish Villain I would check-call 70% til a 100% pot bet and c-bet 30% or jam, hoping to be paid by A9s, K9s, etc. If Villain checked behind some spaz two pair, sets or straights, it is not because Villain is way to passive. It is because it thought that there aren't many hands paying a River shove right now and put more money in the pot to get a lot of folds only increases the rake: we bet when we know that we can get paid, not because we have "a value hand" and let's bet hoping that our opponent is spaz enough to be hero calling with dominated hands. Regards; Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa [/QUOTE]

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