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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 5521578, member: 385063"] Thank U 4 Posting Have only read to flop bet and call. What is the player pool standard UTG raise size? If this is above average 4bb what do you think you are making your villains think about your range? Let us assume V's think 4bb means AA KK QQ JJ 1010. What type of hands would good players call behind you? Bad Players? Knowing the above ranges how should we proceed on this flop OOP vs 2 villains. What did you want your bet on the flop to do Vs the range you gave 2 villains above? Is there a better bet size in this situation to accomplish your flop goal? Who has the range advantage on this board? Who has the nut advantage? Is it not much more likely your villain has all the sets? OOP if the turn comes the Ace what is your plan now before it happens? K? Q? J? 6? Ok now on to the turn. Why did we check when the 9 means nothing as far as improving our villains hand. What is your plan when you call? Do you know your villains are incorrectly betting one pair smaller than 1010 or worse for that sizing? If so why are we not shoving turn? If our V's bluff KQ here why again are we not shoving? If V is betting A4s on the turn why are we not shoving? To me this sizing is not the nuts, is that different in your player pool? If they only bet 2 pair or better why are we calling? If your V's play JJ QQ preflop and flop this way, is checking turn the best way to define those hands? How often will your player pool naked bluff say A7 on that turn or AJ? If so would we not check shove vs those hands? On to the river check check great Ok so now how do we analyze the data we get at showdown. If villain had pair better than us and we expected that possibility do we turn 1010 into a bluff on the river if we check called rather than lead 40% fold to a raise? If so what sizing? Will villain fold a set? Sizing? 2 pair? We have all the aces preflop- flop. So knowing our range check call turn has AA AK in it do we ignore 1010 and bluff that river? Does our range have AA in it if we check call a 9 turn? Does it have AK or AQ AX in it? With no turned flush draw we have way fewer Ax in our call turn range? Can our villain think that out or will they just assume the Ax is there? Once you think through these ranges you then look at you player pool and estimate how many other players would play similarly. Then adjust your approach as you take notes and get more data. Hope this helps :):) [/QUOTE]

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