$5 NLHE 6-max: Two pair, wet flop, turn jam!

[GreenDaddy1]

6 max zoom on 888. Only 5 hands on villain, all I can say is he did not look great but 5 hands is 5 hands, who knows.

Wasn't super comfortable here, thought it a good one to post.

Flopped two pair but the board is a bit nasty. Could be a flopped straight out there. I choose to not fear that though and attempt to get value from the draws, of which there can be many.

Anyone fold to the flop reraise? In the heat of battle I thought enough draws were there that I should carry on.

The turn bet from villain was coming whether he has a straight already or not imo after he reraises on flop. I am not folding on that total brick and calling is weak and leaves me pretty pot committed anyway.... so I just jam hoping to hold against any draws. I do also have 4 outs to a full house.





Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104 BB
SB: 272.6 BB
BB: 178.6 BB
Hero (UTG): 125.8 BB
MP: 143.6 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9♣ T♣

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) T♦ Q♠ 9♦
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 7.6 BB, SB raises to 22.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 14.6 BB

Turn: (53.4 BB, 2 players) 2♣
SB bets 35.2 BB, Hero raises to 100.6 BB and is all-in, SB calls 65.4 BB

River: (254.6 BB, 2 players) 5♥

Spoiler

SB shows K♦ 7♦ (High Card, King)
(Pre 55%, Flop 44%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows 9♣ T♣ (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)
(Pre 45%, Flop 56%, Turn 73%)
Hero wins 239.8 BB

 

[eetenor]

6 max zoom on 888. Only 5 hands on villain, all I can say is he did not look great but 5 hands is 5 hands, who knows.

Wasn't super comfortable here, thought it a good one to post.

Flopped two pair but the board is a bit nasty. Could be a flopped straight out there. I choose to not fear that though and attempt to get value from the draws, of which there can be many.

Anyone fold to the flop reraise? In the heat of battle I thought enough draws were there that I should carry on.

The turn bet from villain was coming whether he has a straight already or not imo after he reraises on flop. I am not folding on that total brick and calling is weak and leaves me pretty pot committed anyway.... so I just jam hoping to hold against any draws. I do also have 4 outs to a full house.





Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104 BB
SB: 272.6 BB
BB: 178.6 BB
Hero (UTG): 125.8 BB
MP: 143.6 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9♣ T♣

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) T♦ Q♠ 9♦
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 7.6 BB, SB raises to 22.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 14.6 BB

Turn: (53.4 BB, 2 players) 2♣
SB bets 35.2 BB, Hero raises to 100.6 BB and is all-in, SB calls 65.4 BB

River: (254.6 BB, 2 players) 5♥

Spoiler

SB shows K♦ 7♦ (High Card, King)
(Pre 55%, Flop 44%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows 9♣ T♣ (Two Pair, Tens and Nines)
(Pre 45%, Flop 56%, Turn 73%)
Hero wins 239.8 BB

Thank you for posting.

If we are going to play T9s UTG vs wide calling ranges we need to be very good post flop -recognizing equity realization and nut advantage and range advantage.

There are several key points to think about here both META game and as played.

Meta
1 we do not need to get full equity value from all our hands when playing vs weaker fields.
That means we can miss a street of value as we often can get that value back on later streets.

2 When we have marginal made hands Vs 2 players and no strong redraws we can be very cautious vs this player type as they over call not over fold.

Why marginal hand when it is 2 pair? It is the range of the V. If the V has JT offsuit they have 45% equity etc if we plug the draws into Equilab we see that we are not that strong even vs the weakest draws that would call flop.

3 What hands do we dominate that will continue on this flop?



In game

#1
we have 2 V both will call with a wide range of Qx Jx Kx that will have a draw with it or already be the nuts.

None of the draws are folding to our flop bet so we are betting for value only not for protection etc

When there is a flush draw present it is always a dangerous flop when the top card is not part of the flush draw.

On this board QdJd has 63.5% equity so when we bet 2 pair here we can be building the pot for the other player-if we check behind and the turn is a blank the equity is 50% an easy call if they lead and then we can decide river. We gain so much from checking and lose so little as we again are not dominating any hands.

Hope this helps

 

[mktpppr]

P: loose open, not crazy, but these spots will get us in trouble often.

F: as played, fine.

T: just call, we're praying to get to showdown as cheaply as possible. Jamming might isolate us vs better only, especially readless.

Also, we must exploit our position to give us a chance to get away from a horrible river.

It will suck, but I think on worst rivers (eg any diamond) we won't be pot committed, so we can fold. I'm not sure, someone please check me.

 

[liuouhgkres]

Working with solvers I noticed one common tendency. If you slowplay on the flop, you continue slowplaying on the turn too. With your hand, you could raise the flop, turn didn;t change anything but for some reason you decided to push.Why?

 

[marvinsytan]

im rejamming all in on the flop for full value or value-owned whatever if it is a cooler hand so be it, just as you said let him pay for all of his draws out there

 

[GreenDaddy1]

Working with solvers I noticed one common tendency. If you slowplay on the flop, you continue slowplaying on the turn too. With your hand, you could raise the flop, turn didn;t change anything but for some reason you decided to push.Why?

Thanks. Good question that I probably need to unpack.

I must be thinking in these spots that a huge jam like that on the flop in response to being reraised is only getting calls from made hands that beat me and combo draws that actually hold more equity than me. Or a massive fish doing fish things. So the story I'm convincing myself of is that while all those hands that are beating me already or hold higher equity are calling to give villain max value, the weaker draws I hold an equity edge over are just folding out rather than continuing to the turn where I may be able to milk more money out of them.

Even then, should I not be making that sort of flop 4 bet jam with a set or better, top two pair or combo draw, rather than what now in the cold light of day is not even a strong two pair on this board?

As played, I think when he has lead the turn I'm thinking 'ok villain can still be chasing that draw after a semi bluff flop reraise, but he has even more invested in this pot now so if I jam I have a better chance that the draws I'm doing well against are going to call, out of either frustration or fishiness'. I'm totally ignoring the brick turn card and just assuming villain can't let go of his draw. I can see how against a thinking player this is probably a terrible move because they are seeing right through me, but do I need to worry about that against the average 5nl player?

I'm inclined to think that within my player pool I was over valuing my hand here. Many of the nits and tags are not paying me off here with worse when a lot of money goes into the pot on any street, and just continuing with better hands/equity than me. As played, I should have just called the turn and not necessarily been shy of more money going in on the river, but attempting to let villain put it in bad sometimes when they miss on the river.

 

[braun_kan]

GTO wizard prefers fold with T9s UTG. But zoom pools tend to play pretty nitty so the increased steal equity probably makes it a fine open.

My instinct on the flop is to bet like half pot. We want to get heads up / take it down but inflating the pot isnt ideal with many flopped straights, and better two pair in the SB and BB's range.

Against the SB (likely fish based on the SB flat) I am probably just calling down here and hope hes going ballistic with a big draw.