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Message: [QUOTE="John A, post: 5725919, member: 88730"] I'm just going to give you a little more about how I think through hand ranges. You can ignore or take it if you want. If you want some validation, just ask anyone who has taken a coaching lesson from me before or had me sweat them and ask them how good I am at putting people on ranges. I'm not claiming to be the best, just offering what I do know about the game and how I approach it. Correct - PRE-FLOP this is entirely possible (commenting on bolded section above)... except you're missing how two points fit together. Bad player = they will not play hands ideally, and over value their hands. There's a range of bad players. I usually try and rank them 1 - 10 and if I don't have more than one hand on someone, I try and put them at a mean of 5. 5 meaning they will miss value, not raise the correct hands, and over value their hands, but they won't be total morons. A value of 1 for me would be someone who would massively **** up a hand. If someone had KQ and Q8 here and played it like this, I would rate them a 1. It's not just one action that gets them to a 1, but several actions. A 4-6 to me would sometimes not raise pre-flop... if we didn't have other streets, KQ would be 100% in their range. But we do have more streets. When that person doesn't CR the flop or lead, that number drops for me, maybe to a 3. So I'd still have KQ in their range, but I'd remove some combos. Then when they pot lead the turn, I'd drop it to a 1-2. Why? Because it makes little sense to not CR the flop AND then try and scare off opponents who have top pair or 2 pair. It's about as backwards as you can get in poker theory. The same w/ Q8. So you rarely say someone NEVER has X hand, but usually you discount their range (in this example I said I'd include Q8 but discount it). I would remove KQ however, maybe put 1 combo in. Again, just my two cents on how to really range your opponents. It seems to work for me. [/QUOTE]

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