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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 5725784, member: 397965"] I actually agree with all of this, but I would still range this guy differently based on his actions and the "bad player psycology", which you talk about. Bad players hate to fold, but they are usually also passive, and they love to slowplay and "trap". So its totally reasonable for a bad player to not isolate with KQ preflop, when he is in the big blind. And when he then flop the nuts, he dont want to chase the little rabbit away, so he just check-call. Then however on the turn a flushdraw turns up, and he panick about that and donk lead for full pot hoping to get the flushdraw to fold. On the river his nightmare comes true, because the flushdraw comes in, so he check. This all makes complete sense for a bad player, and this is why, I put all 16 combos of KQ and all 12 combos of Q8 in his range. Him playing a flopped two pair this way is a little more strange even for a bad player. After all the turn card was really bad for him, since any 8 now had a straight. But maybe he did not even notice this and just saw the flushdraw. Or maybe he panicked and did not know, what to do with a hand, which was confusing to him. This however is not something, I would expect as the default even for a bad player. So I will substantially reduce the flopped two pair. A turned two pair makes a little more sense, because maybe he simply does not understand his relative hand strength and got overly excited, when he "improved". All in all I just think, valuebetting this river is a little to thin, but of course it also depends on, which sizing hero goes for. Anyways thanks for the discussion about, what is definitely an interesting hand :) [/QUOTE]

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