$5 NLHE 6-max: Folding non nut flush on river

[GreenDaddy1]

$5 NLHE 6-max: Folding non nut flush on river

Background: Trying to spew less and make tighter folds, especially on the river.

There are a lot of villains with stats that mean I am happy calling down here, but against this short stacked nit I felt folding was better at the time....

Wrong! The problem is wtf did I continue on flop if I was not happy getting it all in with this villain being so short when I hit Seems stupid looking back over it.

So this is a bit of a goof. Ironically at the same time I hit a nut flush on my other table and won the maximum. Anyway, how would you play this spot vs this Nitty short stack?


Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 213.6 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 32.8 BB
Hero (UTG): 134.4 BB
CO: 29.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T♦ J♦

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 9♦ 2♦ 7♠
BB bets 4.6 BB, Hero calls 4.6 BB, fold

Turn: (18.6 BB, 2 players) 4♥
BB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

River: (30.6 BB, 2 players) 7♦
BB bets 19.2 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 28.8 BB

 

[EarnDAStack]

I'm never folding here.

His stack is small, him donking on the flop means he's a rec and his bet sizing are tiny, no where near polarizing enough to start to think about folding a flush. He might have you here on occasion but at point of river decision you're calling 19.2bbs to win a 70bb pot, I think your hand is going to be winning more than the 28% required to make a call profitable here.


Why do you think calling this down would fit under one of the spots you need to tighten up in? You're going to lose hands no matter what you do, your job is to make profitable decisions based on the perceived make up of his entire range, and a flush is printing with this call

 

[GreenDaddy1]

He was 14/4 and I just over thought it. Totally agree it is a call all day long!

 

[marvinsytan]

Background: Trying to spew less and make tighter folds, especially on the river.

There are a lot of villains with stats that mean I am happy calling down here, but against this short stacked nit I felt folding was better at the time....

Wrong! The problem is wtf did I continue on flop if I was not happy getting it all in with this villain being so short when I hit Seems stupid looking back over it.

So this is a bit of a goof. Ironically at the same time I hit a nut flush on my other table and won the maximum. Anyway, how would you play this spot vs this Nitty short stack?


Pacific Poker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 213.6 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 32.8 BB
Hero (UTG): 134.4 BB
CO: 29.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T♦ J♦

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 9♦ 2♦ 7♠
BB bets 4.6 BB, Hero calls 4.6 BB, fold

Turn: (18.6 BB, 2 players) 4♥
BB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

River: (30.6 BB, 2 players) 7♦
BB bets 19.2 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 28.8 BB

whatttt, you hit your flush and you folded oh man, are you on drugs, then you answered your own question what are you even calling on the turn for? you should be a shame of yourself

just kidding, no idea what you are doing but just exaggerating for humor and fun

 

[GreenDaddy1]

It is all good. Laugh away, I know I am Have to own the mistakes and move on. Good case of the old 'analysis paralysis' leading to a terrible decision.

 

[Redman1902]

Due to the turn size I would give him no or very few full house combinations on turn and therefore I would give him missed straight draws, 7x, 9x and some random combinations besides the flush combinations.

However, I find it extremely difficult to give him a plausible range here. But since your hand also blocks some flush combinations, it's a safe call.

 

[gustav197poker]

I think the point is how tight a V with 33 blinds effective stack can be. If you call his flop bet, we should possibly allocate a little more width to his donk range and there should be some lower flush draws than yours, like: 56; 67; 78; 68. If you only assign nuts on the flop the OTF raise doesn't make much sense since V won't have fold equity and if V is wider you want to extract value from worse hands.
On the turn V offers a very small bet size, so continuing to call seems like a reasonable option.
And finally the river completes the flush and another seven comes up, so now at that bet size I think it's wrong to fold as V shouldn't have only the best possible hand there.
From your range perspective, you represent some middle overpairs (TT and JJ) who might give up when the third heart hits.
If this V made a set on the flop/turn, why the villain play so passive on the turn if 4th street doesn't help you at all. I don't think someone with such a small stack behind would price the turn that low, since the times the river card doesn't help him, you'll have a bluff catcher.
Greetings.